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RBCF
Herm: OKAY, ARWEN, TAKE IT AWAY
RBCF
3000: Ok, now we are continuing right
along with classes-- this next
RBCF
3000: one here now is a whole compendium
of the paradigms of
RBCF 3000:
mystical awareness. Lesson #4 of a
25-week series.
RBCF
3000: We conduct this class in
"semi-formal protocol" which means
RBCF
3000: that we just wait for the speaker
to complete each idea, then
RBCF
3000: take turns in discussion.
RBCF
3000: RBCF Arwen will now introduce what
we are doing here tonight
RBCF
Arwen: Ladies and gentlemen...
RBCF
Arwen: protocol please
DreamTh8tr:
and a hush falls over the crowd
RBCF
Arwen: Welcome, , to our class in
Ecstatic Awareness. The
RBCF
Arwen: word "ecstatic,"
refers to the mystical usage referring
RBCF
Arwen: to *outside of* all normal
states of perception or
RBCF
Arwen: awareness. TOS will be followed. The class is
RBCF
Arwen: "informal"
protocol. The instructor will open a topic,
RBCF
Arwen: intro it, then go ahead with
question and answers,
RBCF
Arwen: repeating this process
several times. Tonight: A run-
RBCF
Arwen: down of the principal ideas
of mystical
RBCF
Arwen: consciousness.
RBCF
3000: (ahem...)
RBCF
3000: Tonight I am going to talk about
each of the ideas that
RBCF
3000: make up this study, in brief. We
have all of next year to
RBCF
3000: go into everything in great detail
and attention. I
RBCF
3000: apologize in advance for using
obscure (and often made-
RBCF
3000: up!) terms-- they help me to
summarize the ideas, and
RBCF
3000: we will have plenty of time to
elaborate them in the
RBCF
3000: coming months.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Let's start with what we are made
up of. There are lots
RBCF
3000: of paradigms for dividing us up
every which way, so I'll
RBCF
3000: mention the main ones that come to
mind.
ShayeWH:
What exactly do you mean by 'what we
are made up of'
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Chesster67:
i believe consciousness can not
arise from mere matter.
Chesster67:
there is something more
Maotzz:
electricity?
Freethinker40:
consciousness creates matter
Maotzz:
I think it's marvelous how they can
put an IC chip in someone
Maotzz:
and that improves HUMAN memory!!!!!
NightPath:
interesting concept..the middle of a
thought
RBCF
3000: First of all, we have Personality
and Essence. This is
RBCF
3000: very simple, really. Essence is
what we were born
RBCF
3000: with: our tastes, native abilities,
handedness, and
RBCF
3000: basic configuration like gender,
growth potential, race
RBCF
3000: and so on.
RBCF
3000: Personality, on the other hand, is
all the indoctrination,
RBCF
3000: socialization, entraining and habitual
imitation that
RBCF
3000: began practically the moment we
were born.
RBCF
3000: All beliefs, labels, categories and
everything we end up
RBCF
3000: calling our "thoughts"
and "feelings" are fabrications in
RBCF
3000: false personality.
RBCF
3000: ******* OK, that's a complete idea.
Go right ahead now
Chesster67:
every cause contains every effect
within itself, true?
Chesster67:
i mean, every cause contains its
effect within it, no?
Chesster67:
wait, a minute! what is the
definition of personality?
ShayeWH:
But these categories while dividing
give not only safety but even a sense of purpose
Chesster67:
what is the essence of personality?
RochelleDo:
Great to see you put it that way,
3000, tis true inho
WiseBum:
true RB.whats is there after
realizing this
REISHISAGE:
Chesster its the tongue i think
RBCF
3000: WiseBum, we're getting to that
Maotzz:
thought personality was the
combination of the innate and learned behaviours
Maotzz:
yes?
Chesster67:
i believe personality is more than
mere behaviours
Freethinker40:
consciousness is are heritage.....
RBCF
3000: ShayeWH, yes, that is correct.
These ideas are for
RBCF
3000: paths other than "safety"
and "comfort"
Maotzz:
that's the innate part :)
Maotzz:
the moreness
Chesster67:
consciousness is a part of self.
Bluelf5:
hi I thought personality was the
phisical expression of the soul and mind
Starborn50:
im be b
UNANA: {{{{{Friends}}}}}
Chesster67:
personality is who you are.
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, in some paradigms, that is
true, of course. In
RBCF
3000: those of mystical awareness, we
make a distinction
RBCF
3000: this way.
Maotzz:
that too doesn't seem contradictory to
me Blue
Freethinker40:
personality is more EGO based
JorgChch:
19/m/nj
WiseBum:
is personality Love in action
Maotzz:
seems a different way to say the same
thing
Chesster67:
jorg where from in nj?
REISHISAGE:
tongue though acts both
subconsciously and consciously and is highly sensitve
Bluelf5:
its a qoute from ED Cayce
Maotzz:
Aha!
JorgChch:
perth amboy
RBCF
3000: Chesster, that's the whole
point. *WHO* and
RBCF
3000: *WHAT* really is who I am? Are my neuroses and
RBCF
3000: biases *ME*?
UNANA: Jorg, I'm near Fords
LRomano757:
SHHHH!
Maotzz:
they .. help to identify you to others
Maotzz:
your distinctiveness
RBCF
3000: JorgChch, please take personal chat
into IMs while we are holding classes. Thanks.
Chesster67:
no, i cannot believe that the eslf
is mere brain activity.
Chesster67:
self
RochelleDo:
maybe all the :me:s we find
ourselves are incredibly
RochelleDo:
important to have been
Wingsoligh:
I am so bummed
Maotzz:
right agree with Chesster but your
neurosises aren't all there is to you
Maotzz:
or anyone else
RBCF 3000:
UNANA, please take personal chat into IMs
during class. Thanks
Freethinker40:
the self rises from uknowing into
knowing
Chesster67:
the self is nonmaterial
Wingsoligh:
I will lEave in a few min
WiseBum:
no rb
those are forms of predjudice and judgement..things are now
REISHISAGE:
in africa they took out half a kids
head adn brain and he walks aruond today fully functiona
REISHISAGE:
the other parts took over
Wingsoligh:
I wanted to go To the mirage so badly and It didnt work out
REISHISAGE:
true story
RBCF
3000: RochelleDo, maybe useful-- but why
"incredibly
RBCF
3000: important"? Most of my "me"s seem pretty
accidental,
Wingsoligh:
It seems Like I have no family That wants me
Bluelf5:
in the Baghvita the personality is described
as the free will of the soul expressing itself
RBCF
3000: IMO.
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, please take personal
chat into IMs during formal class. Thanks
Magycian:
Cool Reishi
Freethinker40:
true......blue i agree
WiseBum:
wings
you have the sea it calls you
Wingsoligh:
Like I said Im leaving now
Wingsoligh:
no worryds
Chesster67:
matter exists by itself, but if it
exists within consciousness, it has a deeper level of
Chesster67:
reality
Bluelf5:
thru action or inaction
Chesster67:
i think the self is Will.
RBCF
3000: Chesster, how do you *know* that
"matter" "exists" "by itself"??
Chesster67:
definitely
Chesster67:
RB, i do not know how i know
RBCF
3000: Chesster, I think the Real Self is
Will, for sure!
Chesster67:
RB, why do you share this belief?
what compells you?
REISHISAGE:
will is ego motivational isn't it
TESLA21058:
How do you tell the difference
between what you know, and what you THINK you know?
RBCF
3000: TESLA, sure beats me!
Grazhopprr:
knowledge has nothing to do with
truth or wisdom
Chesster67:
tesla, it is intuitive
TESLA21058:
ack! LOL..you are supposed to KNOW 3000! lol
Freethinker40:
true......grazzzz
Magycian:
Look in the mirror?
WiseBum:
I think I need a drink...no......I know
i need a drink
REISHISAGE:
nothing of truth has knowledge basis
from wisdoms of ages or sages
RochelleDo:
what you know you know now but what
you think you
Grazhopprr:
what we know is only what we think
we need at the time
RochelleDo:
know you only think
Chesster67:
RB, why do you think Will is Self?
RBCF
3000: Chesster, except for the
"IS" part. I'd say that the
Grazhopprr:
and?
RBCF
3000: Total Self is the expression of
Will, but maybe there's
RBCF
3000: no diff.
RBCF
3000: OK, NOW FOR NEXT IDEA
...........................
RBCF
3000: Another breakdown is to say that we
have a separate
RBCF
3000: mind for every major function, each
of which works
RBCF
3000: with its own special energy, and at
its own speed. So
RBCF
3000: the intellect is one mind, and the
slowest of them all.
RBCF
3000: The emotional center works with an
energy a whole
RBCF
3000: order of magnitude faster than
that, and does not
RBCF
3000: describe its experiences in words
at all.
RBCF
3000: **** And similarly for all the
other mind-functions, see? Ok, open
floor
REISHISAGE:
truths and wisdoms even knowledge
are manmade concepts adaptations from familiar behavioral
REISHISAGE:
evolutions
TESLA21058:
<nodding>
Log
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Age at 08:00 PM
RBCF
3000: REISHISAGE, most, but perhaps not
ALL, eh?
Freethinker40:
you talking of the super
consciousness.......3000........?
TESLA21058:
the way I see it is we aren't in
this body alone, we
TESLA21058:
have many many *entities* (if you
will) all fighting for
TESLA21058:
control of the body functions
Maotzz:
MPD?
Magycian:
I like that Tesla
RBCF
3000: Freethinker, maybe-- we'd have to
see what is meant
RBCF
3000: by "superconscious" or
any other term we use, right?
TESLA21058:
cellular level, protoplasmic level,
soul level, etc
Freethinker40:
i agree.........tesla
WiseBum:
I observe a morning songbird high up in a tree.I am one with the
song.with the bird
Grazhopprr:
normalcy is neurotic
TESLA21058:
some days one has the upperhand,
other days you miss the elevator totally
Lorinaz:
superconscious meaning higher
relms????????????
Freethinker40:
yes.......3000,,,,many words,but all
mean the same thing
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, but perhaps the
alternative is psychotic?
Magycian:
Good practice Wise
Grazhopprr:
face it, being human is being skitzo
Bluelf5:
our bodys have differing systems
thatall work together as do our minds & souls
TESLA21058:
well Blue...in a perfect world they
would <g>
Bluelf5:
the graet teachers of the Past &
present spend an enormus effort on
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, right-- that's what I am
talking about here.
Lorinaz:
we are one sith soul
TESLA21058:
I don't think they try to work
together...one HAS to be in control of the others
Bluelf5:
teaching us to be aware of them all
& to excersise tham
Lorinaz:
with
Grazhopprr:
why not just turn the all off?
MagicMama111:
why does one have too control, what about consensus?
Maotzz:
something like Tai Chi helps one learn
to work them all together
Maotzz:
or yoga
REISHISAGE:
hold on my kefflar watch just went
off , ,, Tesla thought u worked those bugs out finally.
Maotzz:
right MagicMama
RBCF
3000: TESLA, in ordinary personality,
they usually topple
RBCF
3000: each other every five minutes--
each one is king--but
RBCF
3000: these are not even the real
mind-centers, they are
RBCF
3000: artifacts.
REISHISAGE:
but my meannig in all that was
nothing manmade is ever perfect
Grazhopprr:
flick a switch, turn off the mind.
Bluelf5:
there are many differant
"names"&definitions for this superconsiousness but
TESLA21058:
agreed 3000...but that is where most
*humans* choose to live!
WiseBum:
Grazz each is part of the all....
RBCF
3000: ... It takes "power" and
some special features of higher
RBCF
3000: consciousness for Master to appear
in us.
Bluelf5:
each person must utilize that which is
best for him
Freethinker40:
we are not just ....who we are
now......inphysical reality we are a pert of many seleves
Bluelf5:
because everyone ids culturally and
spiritually dfferant
RBCF
3000: TESLA,
"""choose"""
as if we know what we are choosing, right?
Bluelf5:
hmm?
Grazhopprr:
we've had thousands of personalities
in lifetimes, weren't they set aside to come here?
Freethinker40:
creating a whole which is allways in
change
TESLA21058:
as if, 3000
Freethinker40:
i agree......grazzzz
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, not really set aside--
they keep setting
Maotzz:
and we could be mergeance of
personalities we know
RBCF
3000: each other aside all the time, till
we gain enough
RBCF
3000: power to reassert Unity of Being.
Maotzz:
is personality such a tangible
singular thing?
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, I'm sure we are!
Grazhopprr:
why dissect your past mind
(s),,,,,just turn them off and let your own higher self in
Maotzz:
ah I see
WiseBum:
when we are connected we will be complete
Maotzz:
:)
REISHISAGE:
Graz maybe according to our roadmaps
at prebirth a grouping traits of persons-alities are
Lorinaz:
brb
REISHISAGE:
subject to be installed at moment
notice
Freethinker40:
the unconscious knows all its seleves
Bluelf5:
<trying real hard to stand outside
of mind and see in to soul lol
REISHISAGE:
depending on external stimuli
REISHISAGE:
someone was a master once had to be
Mao
RBCF
3000: The next major idea is the relation
of the Attentions to
RBCF
3000: states of Consciousness, so that
First Attention
RBCF
3000: relates to the ordinary world, what
we usually call
RBCF
3000: "waking consciousness,"
but for our purposes should be
RBCF
3000: regarded as "fitful
sleep."
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Second Attention is awakened Self;
ironically, this
RBCF
3000: often begins in dreaming, because
in dreaming we are
RBCF
3000: not trapped in the categories and
norms of our
RBCF
3000: indoctrination. In some schools,
this may be called
RBCF
3000: "self-remembering."
RBCF
3000: People like to talk about
"cosmic consciousness." If
RBCF
3000: there is such a thing, it could be
called Third Attention
RBCF
3000: in this paradigm.
RBCF
3000: ***** Have you heard of
"attention" and "consciousness" used in these ways?
Freethinker40:
yes
Grazhopprr:
too much work
Bluelf5:
presceince & other Pyshic talents
come from this right?
WiseBum:
I havent heard but
I got a feeling
Freethinker40:
the dream state is a way of traveling
to true inner self,so to speak
Bluelf5:
the mind combining these attentions?
Grazhopprr:
humans sure like to make things
difficult, lol
Freethinker40:
lol
DCizunas:
I've heard of consciousness, but never
the attention part
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, it's true-- these ways
are a tremendous
RBCF
3000: amount of work, very
time-consuming, requiring single-
RBCF
3000: minded efforts all the time. Why
would we bother?
Bluelf5:
lol
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, yes, among other things.
Wonderful things.
Grazhopprr:
3k, because we want to be in control
of our evolution, fight for ourselves
TESLA21058:
being aware of being aware
Bluelf5:
J Sixto
Zapata: hey every body, what'sgoing on
Grazhopprr:
tear ourselves apart and define our
being
Grazhopprr:
fighting for your spirituality never
works
Bluelf5:
or do we create the universe with our
attentions and influence it
Lorinaz:
bk
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, of course-- who else
would be interested in my evolution?
Bluelf5:
could that be the purpose & the
motivation?
NightPath:
Graz. peel an onion.and each level..its
still an onion
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, it sure feels like a
fight sometimes, to overcome my habits of limitation.
TESLA21058:
*the* universe or *our* universe?
WiseBum:
I find that living a simple life builds
character
Grazhopprr:
jesus called it "being born
again",,,in other words, die now of your own accord
Bluelf5:
good point
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, pretty much, I'd say.
TESLA21058:
yeah Night...and it still brings
tears to your eyes too
NightPath:
the diff from a glass of water and an
ocean?
Grazhopprr:
put your human conscious mind on the
"cross", give up the fight
M
Natural 1: greetigs
RBCF
3000: TESLA, actually, each level of my
Self that I peel back does bring tears to my eyes!
Galaxon:
isnt being born again cheating death?
TESLA21058:
me too 3000
NSakha:
oy vey es mier all this caca keeps you
outside every thing you want is there
Bluelf5:
ahhh 3000 thats poetic and tragic
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, actually, I find that it
finally makes right use of Death!
Freethinker40:
death is birth
TESLA21058:
I meant it that way...some are joy
and some are sadness, loss or fear too
Grazhopprr:
gala, being born again, means dying
of this life, beginning a new life now
Galaxon:
3000 i dont believe in death..if i did,
everything would be gamey
WiseBum:
fasting is a good practice
RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, is that once, at the
end, after declining health, or is it something NOW?
Bluelf5:
cyles of coniussness and cyles for
everything
Bluelf5:
cycles
Grazhopprr:
3k, it means giving up your power to
your higher self, dying as you are in human mind
TESLA21058:
Graz...you don't mean body death,
you mean a spiritual
TESLA21058:
deat...what was once full must
beemptied to fill again
Grazhopprr:
tesla, i mean mind control death
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RBCF
3000: Grazhopprr, I couldn't have said it
better.
Galaxon:
3000 you might have been able to
Bluelf5:
I think this is why swamis,gurus,
&whirling dervishes seek to disengage Physical realty
NSakha:
jewcraft hashem is listening
TESLA21058:
<nodding> different words...same intent
Grazhopprr:
mind fights spirit or makes it
harder to become, mind doesn't want to leave here
Jewlcraft:
NSakha??
Lorinaz:
nodding
Grazhopprr:
mind finds games to keep you busy in
your quest
Planetshpr:
Good evening all!
NSakha:
yes
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, I'm pretty certain I have
to be able to go thru my deaths on a daily basis!
Bluelf5:
the 3rd attention is closer to death
& reality outsideourselves
TESLA21058:
yes Graz...and is the Loki of your
soul
Galaxon:
Tesla what is a spiritual death>?
Grazhopprr:
like,,,,,,,,disecting spirit, when
it doesn't know what spirit is anyway
Galaxon:
3000 i meant you might have been able
to say it better
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, what "reality"
would be "outside" of the Self?
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, Oh, don't worry-- I'll be
talking about this for the whole next year!
Maotzz:
Graz is really cookin!
Bluelf5:
the reality of total consiuss like in
Celistine Phropsey
Tipherath:
3000, that depends upon how large the
"self" is, no?
WiseBum:
thats right.I am really not a
scrooge..I just dont buy it
Bluelf5:
the whole of ones instead of the ones
of the whole
Grazhopprr:
jesus going to the cross was a
symbol of the mind giving up to the spirit self
RBCF 3000:
Bluelf, I understand, but don't see why
that needs to be "outside" somewhere...
NSakha:
jewcraft are you there
RBCF
3000: Wonderful comments-- now let's
continue ..........................
TESLA21058:
Gala, easiest way to explain is; you
abandon all of
TESLA21058:
what you though you *knew* as faith,
belief and truth,
TESLA21058:
and give self over to your *god* or
HP (whatever) and
TESLA21058:
are *reborn*
Bluelf5:
u can't see the whole of human
exisitance from the inside out
Galaxon:
oh.
Bluelf5:
most Masters make this point very
strongly
Tipherath:
Blue...the human condition IS that we see
the
Tipherath:
whole of human existence from the inside
out.
Bluelf5:
it is a common thought thru out many
cultures
Bluelf5:
& ideaologies
RBCF
3000: Tipherath, yes, that is one of the
main points about
RBCF
3000: this Work-- how large the attention
can be at a given
RBCF
3000: point-- can it encompass the Whole?
Wingsoligh:
Om shanti blue
Grazhopprr:
humans believe,,,,,that is the
problem, mind wants to be the source of thought
Tipherath:
3000, agree, and that is the quest
Bluelf5:
no that is the reaction to our
attentions
RBCF
3000: OK, NOW LET'S (that is, ME!)
CONTINUE WITH THE
RBCF
3000: IDEA ...........................................
Freethinker40:
this is going no where
Bluelf5:
om shanti Wing
RBCF
3000: (please hold comments for a minute
.................................
Tipherath:
go
Grazhopprr:
yeah well, tried
again,,,,,,enlightens a cigarette,,,,kicks back
RBCF
3000: There are numerous intermediate
states before second
RBCF
3000: attention. I have heard them called
"external
RBCF
3000: considering", the "place
of no-pity", "conscience",
RBCF
3000: "remorse", etc. The main point of these is that they
RBCF
3000: occur after ordeals, either
accidental, like NDE's, or
RBCF
3000: deliberately in "works"
or under the guidance or
RBCF
3000: pressure of a Master.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: The changes in the Attention are,
in ordinary
RBCF
3000: psychology, ascribed to trances,
sleep, drugs, trauma,
RBCF
3000: and so on, but in mystical paradigm
it is more useful to
RBCF
3000: say that the Attention is a
position on the luminous
RBCF
3000: field of sentient emanations which
is the Whole of our
RBCF
3000: Self. The amount of experience that
any one of these
RBCF
3000: positions can encompass depends
upon personal
RBCF
3000: power, and/or vice-versa.
Wingsoligh:
Who is master
Wingsoligh:
??????? god?
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, Master/God/the Self --
all One, no?
TESLA21058:
all one
Tipherath:
3000, interesting, master, god, self, all
one
Bluelf5:
300 in possabilty only
RBCF
3000: This last idea is exactly what we
were just getting to..
Wingsoligh:
I love ganesh
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, why "only'??
Wingsoligh:
I look At god as a Higher being Of
pure love
NSakha:
hari bol now we are cooking all one
ShastaMa:
bummer graz
Bluelf5:
300 u are saying then to know ourselves
as godhead we should shine the lights of consiuness
Tipherath:
Graz, then you're at one with the
one...lol
Maotzz:
Graz you seem to be doing
Marvelously!!!!
Galaxon:
looking at God is as difficult as
smelling God
Tipherath:
Galaxon...is that sex talk?...
Grazhopprr:
heh, i wish, brain fog
Bluelf5:
FROM the human exsitance and not attain
an outside perspective to shine them ONTO
Bluelf5:
the human exsistence??
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, I don't know about
"should"... it takes so much
RBCF
3000: lining up at the same time, so much
work and luck and
RBCF
3000: grace and devotion and
transformation, etc.
Maotzz:
300 what is NDE?
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, right-- and I've done
both, no kidding!
Grazhopprr:
your human disections are leaving me
blank tonight, lol
Wingsoligh:
Near deatH expiriance
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, "Near-Death
Experience", with the tunnels and lights and dead people, etc.
Maotzz:
thanks
Bluelf5:
perhaps it is that but again maybe we
make it harder by compilcating the process
NightPath:
give you four nickels for your
pare-a-dimes
Wingsoligh:
Has a stature and A ring of ganesh
Maotzz:
nice!
Grazhopprr:
complicating the
process?,,,,,,lol,,,,,,go figure, seems to be a very late echo in here
Wingsoligh:
300 I had an nde
Wingsoligh:
I was 13
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, yes, you may take the
simple path-- takes 10,000 lifetimes though
Wingsoligh:
I dont remeber much
Bluelf5:
children have been recorded as being in
touch with all of this most frequently
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, wondeful! Can you get back to it?
TESLA21058:
Blue, because adult dogma hasn't
been cemented in yet?
Bluelf5:
I gues I must be at 9999 then
NSakha:
the remover of all blocks and lord
shivas son
DCizunas:
3K, am I on the right track with saying
that the triune make up of ourselves will bring this
Bluelf5:
yes tes
RochelleDo:
maybe one day, to go within and
beyond the
RochelleDo:
expected routes...
Wingsoligh:
300 all I remeber Is going Into
Darkness Then A tunnel
TESLA21058:
agreed Blue
Wingsoligh:
waiting In a light room
DCizunas:
if we focus on the entireness of the
threefold parts
Grazhopprr:
a childs mind is a blank slate, easy
to be spirit before the brain is log jammed
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, huh?
Bluelf5:
lol
Wingsoligh:
And some one Telling Me I had to go Back and pushing me in my body
DCizunas:
3K, like lining up the mind, body spirit
of our make up into all working together?
Galaxon:
that was probably me
TESLA21058:
Graz, I don't believe it's
blank....I believe parents and
TESLA21058:
society erases the knowing as soon
as they can *get in*
RochelleDo:
<--with Tesla on that
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, actually, that's one of
the things we can
RBCF
3000: accomplish with these methods--
getting to the same
RBCF
3000: place as NDEs and other kinds of
trances, deliberately!
Maotzz:
what is chilall?
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, absolutely-- but not just
by declaring it so, right?
Grazhopprr:
i said mind, not spirit,,,,a child's
mind hasn't been filled
DCizunas:
Right 3K, by actually experiencing it
GeorgeYim:
3000, meditation methods?
Wingsoligh:
I usualy go into trances While
meditating
Log
Count: There were 22 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:30 PM
RochelleDo:
the child is born whole and intact
Bluelf5:
child like sorry about my misspellings<english
is my 2nd language
TESLA21058:
I understood that Graz
Maotzz:
Oh sorry .
Maotzz:
thougth it was a phrase maybe borrowed
from another language
RBCF
3000: GeorgeYim, those are included, but
we will get much
RBCF
3000: more proactive in converting our
attention and
RBCF
3000: consciousness.
TESLA21058:
and I have a different viewpoint
born out of experiencing my own children growing up
GeorgeYim:
had figured it , blue
RochelleDo:
seems there is lots for all us
childs to experience
NSakha:
maya maya the tower of bable get the
mind still the lord is within
RBCF
3000: RochelleDo, I'm not so sure about
that any more-- even
RBCF
3000: about "being born" in the
first place!
RochelleDo:
3000, not even that we have everything
within even
RochelleDo:
now?
RochelleDo:
waiting to be tapped?
RBCF
3000: RochelleDo, yes, we have everything
within-- agreed!
Galaxon:
i prefer eventful dreams
TESLA21058:
we come in fully loaded IMO
GeorgeYim:
3000, was late so didn't get info on
other approaches
RBCF
3000: GeorgeYim, tonight only ideas--
approaches next week.
RochelleDo:
LOL
DCizunas:
ITA Tesla
RochelleDo:
great way of putting it Tes
TESLA21058:
:::scratching head::: ITA?
DCizunas:
Tesla...I totally agree
RochelleDo:
i totally agree
TESLA21058:
thanks DC
RBCF
3000: TESLA, yes, but also loaded with
challenges and blocks as well, no?
TESLA21058:
gotta work on my chat slang
Galaxon:
ITA=
it talks alot
RochelleDo:
ah, yeah, them as well, 3000
TESLA21058:
yes 3000...I mean fully!
RochelleDo:
shut up Galaxie
RochelleDo:
<g>
TESLA21058:
and I believe we chose them before
coming...it's not random
Galaxon:
Rochelle hmm.
GeorgeYim:
goodness, roch
DCizunas:
Once again, I agree Tesla
TESLA21058:
DC
Bluelf5:
well my"young" mind is full
& my ole'soul is tired thanx for the brian teasing lol
RochelleDo:
<--begs pardon to Gal even tho I
<g> ed
Grazhopprr:
yup,,,,,i can't get what i want to
say across tonight, thatz ok,,,,,dunno schitz, heh
Galaxon:
rochelle hmmm.
RBCF
3000: Bluelf, well consider it done.
Maotzz:
yeah I was wondering that too George
Galaxon:
if i had to wait for news to come to me
in letter like snailmail, i'd never get it
Bluelf5:
thanx 300 ur a good teacher I leave
enlightened
Maotzz:
thank you 3000
RBCF
3000: Shucks
RBCF
3000: Ok, just a few more ideas to go
tonight. Back to
RBCF
3000: protocol, please.
................................
RBCF
3000: Now let us preview our discussion
on the Nature of
RBCF
3000: Reality. One way that I like to
describe it is as a "self-
RBCF
3000: reflexive 13-dimensional
hologram." It fascinates me
RBCF
3000: that this also describes the human
brain, as if the
RBCF
3000: entire Universe, all possibilities
in all dimensions,
RBCF
3000: coexist internally.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Experience can also be described as
a "discontinuous
RBCF
3000: array of frames of
perspective"; this implies that it is
RBCF
3000: exactly and only the mind itself that
assigns order and
RBCF
3000: causality to the aggregates of
galumphs within the flux
RBCF
3000: of Chaos. It turns out that we can
order these frames
RBCF
3000: in rather astonishing new ways.
Maotzz:
sounds like a definition of time
Planetshpr:
13???? dimensions???
RBCF
3000: It sort of is, Maotzz.
Maotzz:
oh okay
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, I'm not sure about the
exact number, but
RBCF
3000: it is more than the 11 that modern
physics is using
RBCF
3000: now.
Planetshpr:
3K... I'd like to hear more about that when you can work it in...
Galaxon:
13 dimensions?
Tamerri:
hello
DCizunas:
13 is a good number to use...mystical
number
Galaxon:
666 is a better mystical number
DCizunas:
LOL Galax
Galaxon:
i vote for 666 dimeneions
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, science thinks that
anything beyond four
RBCF
3000: dimensions have to be folded or
rolled up to fit into our
RBCF
3000: ordinary world, but mystical
tradition says just the
RBCF
3000: opposite.
TESLA21058:
<~~always thinks of Aprodites
Child when I see those numbers <g>
Galaxon:
so what does it say?
RBCF
3000: ... That is, the Higher World fully
exists UNrolled in its
RBCF
3000: own frame, and the ordinary world
is just a bubble, or
RBCF
3000: series of bubbles, in it.
DCizunas:
I always look at the numbers used i.e.
3,7,13...prime numbers...mystics had something there
TESLA21058:
me too DC
DCizunas:
Tesla, we're on a roll!!
Maotzz:
6+6+6= 18=Chet yod = Life
RBCF
3000: DCizunas, I have been finding that
it's better not to
RBCF
3000: get too involved in exact numbers
and "facts", but to
RBCF
3000: keep the intuition wide open.
RochelleDo:
or as a tent unfolds to provide
shelter...
Grazhopprr:
ideas is a good word for it
DCizunas:
3K, will do
Planetshpr:
18=9. 0. the blank, all things
possible.
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, did you know that's why
matzahs have to be baked less than 19 minutes?
TESLA21058:
3000...seems i am always stuck with
or choosing those 3 numbers
Maotzz:
lol 3000
TESLA21058:
I do everything in 3's :\
must be that Tesla thing
RBCF
3000: TESLA, maybe it's a message to
yourself.
Maotzz:
I had forgotten I've been told a
reason
TESLA21058:
must be........
Maotzz:
I .. don't remember that being it :)
RBCF 3000:
OK, NEXT IDEA-- PROTOCOL PLEASE
......................
RBCF
3000: Another feature of the Nature of
Reality, of course as
RBCF
3000: yours truly sees it, is that all
our potential for self-
RBCF
3000: completion, perfection, union, and
grace in the
RBCF
3000: Miraculous, somehow entails a
regression, as if we
RBCF
3000: were expected to run our life-movie
backwards, right
RBCF
3000: up to where the movie projector
explodes at the point
RBCF
3000: of our own conception.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: If we have done our Work, we can
then assemble the
RBCF
3000: Eternal, the state of immortal
Divinity, outside of time
RBCF
3000: and everything else which would
have resulted from
RBCF
3000: our conception. I cannot describe
it as it really is, for
RBCF
3000: if I could, I would already be
there.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Here is how reality
"proves" that it is self-reflexive (at
RBCF
3000: least, to my own satisfaction):
everywhere I look, I
RBCF
3000: behold huge numbers of clues,
reminders, maps, keys,
RBCF
3000: codes, synchronicities and
serendipities that
RBCF
3000: continually illuminate my path,
from religions to
RBCF
3000: quantum physics.
TESLA21058:
3k...so you believe we have to wade
BACK through this
TESLA21058:
mess we call life to clean our
closets?
RBCF
3000: TESLA, yes-- most of the mystical
traditions have this
TESLA21058:
easier to spell cleaning
closets <g>
TESLA21058:
so reworking the past.....
TESLA21058:
to create a NOW
RBCF 3000:
practice. Some call it recapitulation.
RBCF
3000: TESLA, yes, really, thoroughly
cleaning ALL closets!
TESLA21058:
man, 3k...it stinks in there LOL
RochelleDo:
as we are already there in the now,
3000?
RBCF
3000: RochelleDo, actually, *HERE* in the
NOW!
Galaxon:
actually i was here yesterday, too
Log
Count: There were 17 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:45 PM
Planetshpr:
::nodding::... you may be amused, 3000, that we call that
"FREE-ality!"
RBCF
3000: Galaxon, I am *always* here
"yesterday"!
Jewlcraft:
3000 is that why a lot of NDE's include
that "life flashing before one's eyes"?
RBCF
3000: Jewlcraft, yes, but there it is
hit-or-miss. We are
Maotzz:
I never thought of the recapitulation
going in reverse ...
Maotzz:
how odd
Galaxon:
3000 i'll wait until tomorrow to see if
you are still there
RBCF
3000: trying to make it intentional in
these practices.
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, although that is what it
means, isn't it?
Maotzz:
not sure
Maotzz:
that's what you say it is
TESLA21058:
so we can't *evolve* (get better)
till we fix or attempt to understand past issues
Maotzz:
seems it would be confusing . though
Planetshpr:
NICEly said Tesla!!!
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, well, anyway, it is the
practice that has been given me to do all my life.
Maotzz:
I can see reviewing it in the proper
order
Alisnntrnt:
maybe just releasing them is
enough...no need t know the why
Maotzz:
you .. do this every day .. look
through your life in reverse?
TESLA21058:
Planetshpr :) good to see you
BTW..SHUR says hi
RBCF
3000: TESLA, well, how *could* we, unless
we are purified.
RBCF
3000: But why does our destiny need to be
in the "future"??
Planetshpr:
(Cool! Hi back!!)
TESLA21058:
3k...is isn't in the future, it is
now!
RochelleDo:
we walk the path
RBCF
3000: TESLA, well, do we have everything
we need right now, without doing anything?
Maotzz:
seems it would be more difficult
because actions would have been done because
Maotzz:
of actions that preceeded them
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, sure-- I only know what I
have already experienced, right?
TESLA21058:
only if we just want the body to
exist 3k
Maotzz:
but you .. go in reverse?
RochelleDo:
or the ego?
RBCF
3000: TESLA, I am deleting the
distinction among the bodies for this practice.
DCizunas:
Maotzz, maybe like looking at bulletin
board on puter sites...you pick up the thread of....
TESLA21058:
if spirit is to evolve, with all
components..we must look
TESLA21058:
into the past and try to create a
future
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, in effect, yes.
Planetshpr:
3K ... good idea.
TESLA21058:
ahhh, ok 3k
Maotzz:
in effect
DCizunas:
...one message and follow that through
instead of reading everything chronologically
RBCF
3000: TESLA, except that each body
processes a certain range of sentient energies, see?
TESLA21058:
3k..have you done time line therapy
of NLP?
TESLA21058:
yes 3k...I see
Maotzz:
DC .. i've tried that and I get
confused
TESLA21058:
of=or
Lorinaz:
look at anything in the past and
reverse it that is the key if u can do it
Maotzz:
cuz I have to see what the earlier
posts said
RBCF
3000: TESLA, I'm pretty sure-- we covered
all the major topics in my cert. class.
Maotzz:
to understand it
Lorinaz:
though medition
Maotzz:
OH I meant .. living in reverse
Maotzz:
you think i'm saying reverse your
actions/
Maotzz:
?
TESLA21058:
tlt is sure a gentle way to clean
stuff out and up...so is wrems
DCizunas:
Exactly Maotzz, but you read only one
thread at a time...not a whole bunch of different ones
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, OIC-- my practice is to
live NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
Lorinaz:
both
TESLA21058:
agreed 3000
Maotzz:
and how the threads affect you now
Maotzz:
you try to fix
Maotzz:
if fixin is needed
RochelleDo:
<----has a looong way to go but
has every intention of
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, in effect, it is like
reversing my actions and decisions.
RochelleDo:
catching up one day....I hope.
Maotzz:
okay THAT i get
TESLA21058:
LOOK to past, but only
look/visit...then BE now, create future
Maotzz:
okay TESLA I got it now
Planetshpr:
3000, the way I GET to the NOW is to
identify effects issues (ie, past history storied in ti
RBCF
3000: TESLA, well spoken, dude!
Planetshpr:
ssue) and HEAL those.
Maotzz:
I thought he was like running a movie
of his life in reverse
Lorinaz:
past future and NOW ARE one
Maotzz:
and I coudln't figure out what good
that is
TESLA21058:
<~~dudette
Planetshpr:
this is actually a LOT less
conceptual and more practical than it sounds.
Maotzz:
okay thanks for explaining
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, there is an interesting
book by Piers Anthony,
RBCF
3000: called "Bearing an
Hourglass" about the incarnation of
RBCF
3000: immortality who exists backwards in
time.
Maotzz:
uh oh .. you DID mean living in
reverse?
So so
Rus: is that tarot chat over?
Maotzz:
backwards in time
Maotzz:
yes So so an hour and half ago
DCizunas:
Wow, that sounds like the guys from
Ork..remember when Robin W. gave birth to Jonathan Winte
DCizunas:
rs...LOL!!
RBCF
3000: Planetshpr, right-- it has to be
done that way,
RBCF
3000: although I find that we can't just
*decide* to heal
RBCF
3000: each item-- it takes strong forces
like in NDEs, no?
Maotzz:
LOL DC
Maotzz:
yes!
Planetshpr:
NOT my experience, 3000!!!!!
Planetshpr:
I have a MUCH easier way.
So so
Rus: might some one define mystical
cousciousness?
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, yes, we are already
concluding the next class in ecstatic awareness.
So so
Rus: y do i never relate to say of this
stuff
So so
Rus: oic its an ongoing thange
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, we did at the
beginning-0- you can have a copy of the logue, if you want.
So so
Rus: no thats ok 3k
Alisnntrnt:
share Planet? what way is easier?
Planetshpr:
Alisn... I will discuss with 3000... his class .. and perhaps we can
incorporate in a future class.
RBCF
3000: We will spend some time examining
how the paradoxes
RBCF
3000: that are being revealed can be best
explained in the
RBCF
3000: dimensions of Consciousness. It is
as if I myself had
RBCF
3000: placed the features of my reality
just exactly for me to
RBCF
3000: find them!
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: In parallel, we will preview some
of the features of the
RBCF
3000: supernatural; that is, the landscape
of the Second
RBCF
3000: Attention, which means the inner
landscape. There
RBCF
3000: (here?) we will find angels,
demons, ETs, ghosts,
RBCF
3000: elves, spirits and, most
bewilderingly, features of our
RBCF
3000: own selves that we could not
conceive of, but which
RBCF
3000: are sitting there in front of us
incontrovertably!
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Finally, we will end up this course
with discovering
RBCF
3000: what Presence-in-the-Now really
looks, feels, sounds
RBCF
3000: and tastes like, and how our
individual Death is the
RBCF
3000: only way to get there. Please
believe me that this has
RBCF
3000: absolutely no connection to
anything you might have
RBCF
3000: learned in Sunday school!
RBCF
3000: .
TESLA21058:
sounds marvy 3000...
RBCF
3000: ****** Well, friends, those are the
ideas that I
RBCF
3000: wanted you to start thinking
about. Now let's hear
RBCF
3000: *your* ideas.
RBCF
3000: Next week: a run-down of the
principle methods and
RBCF 3000:
techniques used for attaining Ecstatic
Awareness.
RBCF
3000: These will become your daily
homework assignments,
RBCF
3000: should you choose to accept. Thank you all for
RBCF
3000: wondering with us today.
RBCF
3000: **** Ready for your ideas and
questions...
Meemoe:
the IMAGINATION
Meemoe:
the Workings of th einner child
Maotzz:
Daily?
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, hourly, really
Maotzz:
omg
Maotzz:
lol
RochelleDo:
I welcome homework if it allows me
more
LRomano757:
is there gonna be an astral
projection??
Maotzz:
oh you don't teacah every day
Maotzz:
okay
Maotzz:
i'm off on tangents
Maotzz:
sheesh
RBCF
Arwen: {{{{{3000}}}}}
Maotzz:
thank you 3000
RBCF
3000: Maotzz, actually, I *do* teach
every day, but not here.
Maotzz:
thank you Arwen
Maotzz:
don't confuse me 3000
Maotzz:
I confuse VERY easily
Meemoe:
Why are we So relient on these types
of tools methods etc.?
RochelleDo:
great to have been here tonight,
3000, thank you
TESLA21058:
goodnight everyone...gentle dreams
RochelleDo:
cheers Tesla:))))
Maotzz:
niters all~~~
Meemoe:
they Are part Of the Expectation
Log
Count: There were 17 member(s) in The New
Age at 09:00 PM
Meemoe:
Not simply the experiance of it
Meemoe:
Come what May
Meemoe:
or december LOL
Maotzz:
<?>
RochelleDo:
all in good time I spose
RBCF
3000: :::: bows humbly ::::
Lorinaz:
thank you 3000
Maotzz:
oh well . niters
DCizunas:
Tesla....and to you...glad to have
touched in with you tonite
Meemoe:
Within th eHeart Of Man Lies An
imagination Of what ever is So GOD AS
DCizunas:
3K, sounds like an interesting class
coming up...glad I could listen
Meemoe:
Some see Stepples Some See Bells
Fairys And the Blair witch Haahaaa
Meemoe:
Tool that unlock ones imagination into
What Might have been And Might be still
RBCF
3000: Ok, see you all Thursday, then next
Monday. Thanks
RBCF
3000: for all your great ideas! Good night.