Ecstatic Awareness Class 10
"What Kind of Being are We?"
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RBCF
3000: Good evening dear friends.
RBCF
Heart: Namaste' 3000
RBCF Heart:
RBCF
3000: Welcome, everyone. Tonight is our
tenth class in
RBCF
3000: Ecstatic Awareness: "What kind
of Being are
RBCF
3000: we? Is it possible we've been
missing most of
RBCF
3000: it?" Once again, for those who
are joining us for
RBCF
3000: the first time, the way we are
using the word
RBCF
3000: "ecstatic" here means
entering into
RBCF
3000: states of consciousness,
accompanied by
RBCF
3000: transformation of being, in which
the
RBCF
3000: supernatural and the Miraculous can
be witnessed
RBCF
3000: and experienced directly.
RBCF
3000:
RBCF
3000: For this session, we'll be on
"informal protocol", which is
RBCF
3000: that you just let me roll out an
idea at a time, and then I'll
RBCF
3000: re-open the floor every few
minutes, ok?
BeadBaron:
hi room, what is subject?
RBCF
Heart: Welcome to the New Age chat
room.
RBCF
Heart: Tonight is our 10th class in
Ecstatic
RBCF
Heart: Awareness: What kind of Being
are we? Is
RBCF
Heart: it possible we've been missing
most of
RBCF
Heart: it?" We have
semi-protocol, please hold
RBCF
Heart: questions/comments till the
floor is opened.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Before we begin tonight's lesson,
I'll recap the exercises
RBCF
3000: and practices we've been working
on. These include
RBCF
3000: stopping the internal dialogue;
listening, tasting and feeling
RBCF
3000: on deep, synaesthesic levels; dream
and trance work;
RBCF
3000: and consistent meditations of
different kinds. Let's hear
RBCF
3000: what you've been finding with these
-- please go right
RBCF
3000: ahead now ..............
Havensource:
Broad indeed. please elaborate.
RBCF
3000: <-- has been meditating on music
and in silence; working with dreams, etc.
DonaldandAmanda:
would you be talking about our 6th sense?
RBCF
3000: DonaldandAmanda, I count a lot more
than six of them,
Havensource:
Oh, little stuff. No, genuinely, where to begin?
RBCF
3000: but really, this is about expanding
our whole awareness.
DonaldandAmanda:
been there done that
RBCF
3000: DonaldandAmanda, I doubt if you've
done some of the
RBCF
3000: things we're getting to, for sure,
you betcha, uh huh
Havensource:
This is unlimited. is there a
hypothetical starting point?
DonaldandAmanda:
please never assume
RBCF
3000: Havensource, sure-- we're going to
be focusing tonight on
RBCF
3000: what the Self could be. Step by step, if you will.
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends, let's begin tonight's
class ...................
RBCF
3000: Can you remember when your current
self-image
RBCF
3000: was installed? Do you remember how
you saw
RBCF
3000: everything before all these filters
were set in
RBCF
3000: place? By "filters," I am
referring to
RBCF
3000: everything that you
"know" (in terms
RBCF
3000: of categories or labels) about
everyone and
RBCF
3000: everything that you encounter.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Every society on earth
"socializes" or
RBCF
3000: indoctrinates its young to filter
out everything but
RBCF
3000: the reality that it considers
normal, and this
RBCF
3000: occurs to such an extent that we
will claim that
RBCF
3000: whole ranges of events cannot
happen and do
RBCF
3000: not occur, and that whoever claims
to the
RBCF
3000: contrary is "crazy" or at
least
RBCF
3000: disagreeable.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: This observation readily explains
at least one
RBCF
3000: level of miracle, and that is
whenever we cannot
RBCF
3000: avoid witnessing something outside
of our set
RBCF
3000: categories. Most brilliant
discoveries have been
RBCF
3000: ridiculed, when first they were
proposed, for this
RBCF
3000: very reason.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: But the thing that is the very
hardest for us to see
RBCF
3000: and know, is our self. We are locked
into an
RBCF
3000: extremely delusional self-image.
True, we can
RBCF
3000: see and judge the very same traits
as ourselves
RBCF
3000: in other people, and we can give
lip-service to
RBCF
3000: what people tell us about
ourselves, especially if
RBCF
3000: they are our bosses or otherwise
have influence
RBCF
3000: over us.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: People who have been to therapy or
encounter
RBCF
3000: groups also "know all
RBCF
3000: about themselves," at least to
hear them tell
RBCF
3000: it, but these may be the most
delusional (and I
RBCF
3000: have to include myself in this
group) -- with all
RBCF
3000: that we know about ourselves, we
still have the
RBCF
3000: same obnoxious traits as before,
but now we
RBCF
3000: annoy everyone with our
explanations about
RBCF
3000: them.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: But will we really know ourselves
if we could "see
RBCF
3000: ourselves as others see us"?
I'd say that all we
RBCF
3000: would "know", then is
what we are all projecting
RBCF
3000: onto each other, and our lives
would be just as
RBCF
3000: suffocated with full-time
considerations as they
RBCF
3000: are now.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: What I am saying is that we never
really know
RBCF
3000: how we look, but we make up stories
about what
RBCF
3000: people's expressions and responses
to us
RBCF
3000: mean, often at huge deviation from
what they
RBCF
3000: would say if we actually asked
them, and if they
RBCF
3000: were themselves free enough of
consideration to
RBCF
3000: actually tell us the truth.
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RBCF
3000: ******** Let's stop here and find
out if any of you
RBCF
3000: have observed our enslavement to
socialization,
RBCF
3000: and how much of our time and energy
is
RBCF
3000: spent wondering "what they
think of
RBCF
3000: me." Go right ahead now,
please --
RBCF
3000: openfloor .........
Sunglo001:
we couldn't possibly know ourselves from
others opinions.. they have their own filters
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, did my last statement
address your comment adequately?
Havensource:
Is it our current life experiences
that tell us? Is it our Old Soul deep within that speaks?
Havensource:
It takes years to listen for their
answers.
Havensource:
to learn to understand them
RBCF
3000: Havensource, decades, I find,
actually.
Sunglo001:
3k ~ I think it did. But I agree that although we do tend to
spend way too much
Sunglo001:
time wondering what other people think,
it is necessary to act w/o
Sunglo001:
compromise to our own beliefs.
Havensource:
Can we even attempt a time
measurement? Oh, but thats a whole
other discussion
RT
Alix: too much time thinking in wrong
direction due to societal demands, yes
Sunglo001:
Am I following this thought correctly?
Akha
Apim Iatiba: There are always rules
of us to follow
Havensource:
Don't we learn the most when we are
removed from ourselves, and look from the outside.
Sunglo001:
haven ~ I look within
Havensource:
Or is that when we are really the
closest to ourselves?
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, we'll be getting to the
issue of beliefs more,
RBCF
3000: although we talked about it in some
detail last week.
Sunglo001:
I'm not really discussing my beliefs.. I'm
just saying that what I think others might
Sunglo001:
think of me can not allow me to
compromise myself.
RT
Alix: solitude relinquishes societal
demands
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, basically, we were
addressing how beliefs are
RBCF
3000: packages that we've subscribed to,
and some of tonight's
RBCF
3000: class will address that more.
Sunglo001:
oh.. I'm on the outside looking in..
sorry. :))
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, and I am suggesting that
we, as we find
RBCF
3000: ourselves, have no way of NOT compromising
our
Havensource:
My thoughts were cast adrift in all
the distractions
RBCF
3000: integrity, until we make a few
"adjustments" that is
Sunglo001:
okey doke
Sunglo001:
RBCF
3000: Havensource, well, we should be
getting on track presently
Havensource:
Uniform, but reassuring
RBCF
3000: Let us now continue along with
tonight's subject --
RBCF
3000: please hold comments for a minute, until I can
RBCF
3000: roll out the next idea ... thanks
RBCF
3000: ...............................................................
RBCF
3000: Now let us imagine a world in which
no one is
RBCF
3000: telling us who we are, and in which
none of us
RBCF
3000: tells another who we *think* we
are; a world in
RBCF
3000: which we cannot separate ourselves
from each
RBCF
3000: other by judgment nor by
"winning" or "losing",
RBCF
3000: nor by being "right"
about anything.
RBCF
3000: We would be transparent to each
other then,
RBCF
3000: wouldn't we? And we would feel all
of our shame
RBCF
3000: and remorse for all the lies,
deceits and
RBCF
3000: compromises we have ever made; not
the guilt
RBCF
3000: and self-loathing that we have been
taught as a
RBCF
3000: means of conforming to the
"rules" of our "reality,"
RBCF
3000: but totally honest reckoning of the
soul, the kind
RBCF
3000: that heals us and frees us.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Does it take "somebody
else" to allow us to do
RBCF
3000: this, to give us
"permission" to be quiet inside,
RBCF
3000: vigilant over the quality of
ourthoughts and
RBCF
3000: feelings? Does this mean not to
express our
RBCF
3000: "true feelings"? That
would imply that we know
RBCF
3000: what they are, that we know
ourselves, right?
RBCF
3000: .
Havensource:
It must be a joint effort.
Radiant
Hope: I missed something
important.....
Akha
Apim Iatiba: 3000, you touch so many
issues at once
WaynePsych:
Well, in my own experience I have
found that the righter I am about how people 'are',
WaynePsych:
the more my ego limits how they can
show up for me.
Akha
Apim Iatiba: 3000 we do not need the
permission of anyone of go inside and find the boundless state that
Akha
Apim Iatiba: we really are
Dolly
Destiny1: to know what others think of
us is not the real person we are. It is their project, not ours
WaynePsych:
and I for them I suspect.
Spiritlife118841:
that true....if my ego judgement
gets in the way...my view is fogged up
Akha
Apim Iatiba: hummmm I see
Radiant
Hope: 3000......for the poor soul that
missed the topic before the mega-scroll.....what is it you
Radiant
Hope: are looking at?
RBCF
3000: Yes, you are all correct, and yet
we need to put this all
RBCF
3000: into perspective, so allow me to
continue a little longer --
RBCF
3000: just another minute
....................
Spiritlife118841:
if i am what i came here to
be...then any other judgment is not my truth
Sunglo001:
My parents gave me a certain perception..
my teachers gave me a certain perception.. I
Sunglo001:
bought into those for a while.. and then
I discarded them.
RBCF
3000: Ok please hold comments for another
minute now
RBCF
3000: ........................................................
RBCF
3000: But my dear friends, long ago some
sleazy
RBCF
3000: merchant sold us a worthless
package, and we
RBCF
3000: bought it at far too high a price.
This package
RBCF
3000: contains
"self-awareness", our "feelings", "free
RBCF
3000: will", our
"humanity" and "honor" and "immortal
RBCF
3000: soul," but all the while we
have been sheep
RBCF
3000: waiting to be sheared -- we have
never, ever
RBCF
3000: checked our package, our
assumptions.
RBCF
3000: .
Akha
Apim Iatiba: that is true 3000
RBCF
3000: Of course all those things are the
worthy traits of
RBCF
3000: a human being, but did we earn them
merely by
RBCF
3000: having been born, or perhaps by
suffering
RBCF
3000: enough years of living lives empty
of any real
RBCF
3000: meaning. Is such meaning the result
of our
RBCF
3000: "accomplishments," or is
it conferred upon us
RBCF
3000: like a diploma? Or perhaps, like
citizenship, just
RBCF
3000: by virtue of having been born here.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: In the end, don't we deteriorate
ignominously and
RBCF
3000: die like stray dogs, never knowing
why we are
RBCF
3000: really here, nor what we truly
*are*, nor what
RBCF
3000: wonders we could have witnessed and
RBCF
3000: achieved? Didn't we all believe in
wonders and
RBCF
3000: magic as children? When were we
"disabused"
RBCF
3000: of such "nonsense"?
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RBCF
3000: Well, friends, here we are. I
neither know enough,
RBCF
3000: nor have enough strength, courage
and *will* to
RBCF
3000: achieve what apparently only very
few people
RBCF
3000: in history have accomplished, and
that is the very
RBCF
3000: personification of those traits we
assumed
RBCF
3000: without earning them, or at least
without
RBCF
3000: investigating whether they applied
to ourselves.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: But none of that can matter now;
there is no
RBCF
3000: going back, no room for self-pity
or cowardice,
RBCF
3000: nor for any assumptions of
self-aggrandizement.
RBCF
3000: There is only the journey that I
have begun, and
RBCF
3000: the remotest possibility that I can
reach
RBCF
3000: my destination.
RBCF
3000: .
Akha
Apim Iatiba: I understood what you
were saying 3000
WaynePsych:
But thoughts about who we are just
thoughts; that's all. To be witnessed with equanimity.
RT
Alix: well-said 3000
RBCF
3000: And that destination is worth
absolutely
RBCF
3000: *everything*! For there, at the
crossings of all that
RBCF
3000: I am, are all possibilities, just
exactly as
RBCF
3000: promised. That is where I am, and
that is where
RBCF
3000: God is -- not some dogmatic idea of
a "god", but
RBCF
3000: just exactly the totality of all my
possibilities,
RBCF
3000: embraced all at once in perfect
Love.
RBCF
3000: .
Akha
Apim Iatiba: What you say you feel
3000 and you are right
BeadBaron:
This sounds like pseudo-intellect to mw,
what is the point?
Akha
Apim Iatiba: I understand what you
are doing
RBCF
3000: Thanks-- there is just a little
more of this idea, and then
RBCF
3000: we can talk freely. Thanks for your
patience.
RBCF
3000: But I must not know what that looks
like, nor
RBCF
3000: anything that I can package neatly,
because then
RBCF
3000: it would again be only partial,
petty and unworthy.
RBCF
3000: I have to arrange the meeting of
all that I am as
RBCF
3000: the most humble beggar, with not
the slightest
RBCF
3000: crumb of pride left in me, because
any pride at
RBCF
3000: all would cheat me of my prize --
wholeness,
RBCF
3000: consciousness and permanence.
RBCF
3000: .
Akha
Apim Iatiba: hummmm I understand
RBCF
3000: It matters not the slightest that I
"know" myself as
RBCF
3000: an arrogant, self-absorbed pig, or
whatever
RBCF
3000: labels I have stuck all over
myself, because all
RBCF
3000: that is only rust and crud covering
over
RBCF
3000: something that shines and vibrates
with the most
RBCF
3000: exquisite passion of life.
RBCF
3000: .
RT
Alix: this is not "pseudo"
intelligence my friend, this is passion
WaynePsych:
I think RBCF you're trying to point
to something that really cannot be conveyed in words?
Akha
Apim Iatiba: This is channeling
feelings from another dimension
Sunglo001:
The problem is, if you believe the labels
you have stuck all over yourself, you are going to
Sunglo001:
have a hard time seeing that which is
underneath.
RBCF
3000: WaynePsych, well, at least not in
ONLY words
WaynePsych:
<nods>
Dolly
Destiny1: wow! "humble beggar, with
not the slightest crumb of pride left in me" that is really bad!!!
RBCF
3000: Akha Apim Iatiba, I do a lot of
channeling for this material, yes.
RBCF
3000: Dolly Destiny, you like?
Akha
Apim Iatiba: yes:))
Akha
Apim Iatiba: I understand
Akha
Apim Iatiba: and you are brave to do
so
Bitsty:
Who do you channel RBCF3000?
Dolly
Destiny1: one should take pride in one
self. one should honor oneself. not act like a lowly dog!!
RBCF
3000: One more paragraph to this idea,
then let's talk-- hang on
RBCF
3000: a second ..............................................
Akha
Apim Iatiba: one must allow oneself
to be laughed at and judged to do what one feels is right
RBCF
3000: We are told that we can never
change the form of
RBCF
3000: our crud, nor its
"qualities", but we can certainly
RBCF
3000: burnish and anoint everything that
is underneath
RBCF
3000: it. In the schools at which I have
studied, they call
RBCF
3000: the outer crud, the
"personality" or the "first ring
RBCF
3000: of power" and they call what
is underneath, the
RBCF
3000: "essence", which takes on
the "second ring of
RBCF
3000: power" or
"self-remembering" only if it is capable
RBCF
3000: of being cleansed and adjusted
correctly.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: ******** At this point, it would be
wonderful to
RBCF
3000: hear from you about how you
distinguish between
RBCF
3000: what is false in yourself, and what
is properly
RBCF
3000: yours -- what you *are*. Please go
right ahead
RBCF
3000: now
Akha
Apim Iatiba: Any thought or emotion that is negative is not
us
Akha
Apim Iatiba: we are all the Infinite
Mind Appearing
Akha
Apim Iatiba: we have the power to
release all that covers us
Akha
Apim Iatiba: but only a few know
this yet
WaynePsych:
My reactions (images inner talk) are
NOT who I am.
Akha
Apim Iatiba: more us of awaken every
moment
RT
Alix: how many "layers" might
we have?
WaynePsych:
God (lol) knows!
Akha
Apim Iatiba: We are the sky thinking
we are the clouds
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, good question-- I keep
finding more, every time I
RBCF
3000: go in. How many have you found so
far?
RT
Alix: 2
Sunglo001:
interesting way to put it, Akha
Kirstenese:
:) good anology, Akha
Akha
Apim Iatiba: we are the white in
this room thinking we are the print
WaynePsych:
Thumbs up AAI!
RBCF
3000: Akha Apim Iatiba, do you remember
the story about the
RBCF
3000: Mahabrahma deciding that he is
still the humble pilgrim,
RBCF
3000: as well as the goat?
Kirstenese:
I think that's 3k's point
Akha
Apim Iatiba: yep
Akha
Apim Iatiba: look at the white
behind the print
RBCF
3000: (Sorry I told the punch line of
that story first
Sunglo001:
lol ~ 3k.. thanx alot!
Dolly
Destiny1: why create in others to feel
less of a human then they are? best to create higher ideals
RT
Alix: i am on my third
RBCF
3000: Dolly Destiny, please explain...
Sunglo001:
for me... looking within is like looking
into a prizm.
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Akha
Apim Iatiba: that is interesting Sun
Akha
Apim Iatiba: what do you see?
Akha
Apim Iatiba: many colors?
Sunglo001:
Akha ~ parts of me... creating a whole.
Dolly
Destiny1: no explaining needed. why
create in others to be holy one must be
lowly?
Akha
Apim Iatiba: cool
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, prism is a good analogy--
how about a holographic prism, in 11 dimensions?
Sunglo001:
I don't know how many dimensions there
are, 3K.
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, me neither
Sunglo001:
Dolly
Destiny1: why not be the best human you
can be and kick the door open to high ideals?
RBCF
3000: Akha Apim Iatiba, don't you see
more than all
RBCF
3000: those splendid colors too? Till we can't even tell
RBCF
3000: what senses they are coming in on?
Sunglo001:
that's why you feel there are more than just 6, right, 3K?
DCizunas:
Dolly, maybe the lowly part stressed
just means that no one should get a swelled head about
DCizunas:
their progress
Dolly
Destiny1: why not? we earned it
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, yes, from a personal
experience POV, and
RBCF
3000: now modern physics thinks it can
describe all
RBCF
3000: reality with eleven dimensions.
Sunglo001:
3k ~ that's limitation.. I believe it
goes beyond that.
DCizunas:
Dolly, we may gain some ground, but have
more to cover than we ever could
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, Oh, I quite KNOW that it
does, as you do obviously
Dolly
Destiny1: take pride in ourself for our
progress in life, we earned it. Honor ourself is good.
Sunglo001:
But I don't know what a POV is, and I
don't know a thing about physics.. modern or otherwise
Sunglo001:
:))
WaynePsych:
The problem is is that modern
physics looks with the "eye of flesh" empiricism rather than
WaynePsych:
the "eye of
contemplation."
RBCF
3000: Sunglo, Point of View. Take a look at least
RBCF
3000: week's class logue for my own
summary of modern
RBCF
3000: physics principles, if you will--
it's in New Age
RBCF
3000: Library II.
Dolly
Destiny1: science said there could be
21+ dimensions.
Sunglo001:
ok
RBCF
3000: WaynePsych, that's for sure, and they
also don't
RBCF
3000: know what they are looking for,
which the mystic
RBCF
3000: and the saint do.
RT
Alix: sorry i recounted, i am in 5
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, five what?
RT
Alix: working on 5
Sunglo001:
levels
RT
Alix: dimensions
RT Alix:
levels
RT
Alix: pictures, lol
RT
Alix: visions
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, stick with us then-- we'll
get to a lot more levels
RT
Alix: wow
RBCF
3000: Ok, friends-- I have just one more
idea to
RBCF
3000: complete tonight's discourse, and
then we can
RBCF
3000: completely open the floor up. So please hang on
RBCF
3000: for a minute
......................................
RBCF
3000: Splendid, my comrades! Now let us
plow forward
RBCF
3000: with the exciting conclusion of
tonight's agenda.
RBCF
3000: Please, once again, hold comments
until I can
RBCF
3000: complete this last major idea.
RBCF
3000: ............................................................
RBCF
3000: So far, in our discussion of the
underlying nature
RBCF
3000: of the Self, of Being, we have
mostly spoken of
RBCF
3000: what it is not, or at least what it
should not be.
RBCF
3000: Now let us look at what the saints,
prophets,
RBCF
3000: mystics, sorcerers, magicians and
shamans
RBCF
3000: have seen, and then
"reported" to us in so many
RBCF
3000: different ways.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: It would be fair to ask, "Why
are the reports
RBCF
3000: always so metaphorical, so full of
fantasy and
RBCF
3000: allusion? Why all the secrecy and
mumbo-
RBCF
3000: jumbo? Why are we asked to believe
in invisible
RBCF
3000: beings that are supposed to run
everything?"
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: In the words of the proverbial
rabbi, "Let me tell
RBCF
3000: you a story about that ..."
Those of us who have
RBCF
3000: dogs know that most dogs are not
very aware of
RBCF
3000: the connection between their leash
and the fact
RBCF
3000: that they are choking on it, even
if their signal that
RBCF
3000: they want a walk is to bring you
the leash.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Similarly, the secret of cat toys
is that cats don't
StarBorn22:
so have we figured out what type of
being we are?
RBCF
3000: have enough attention to be aware
of both the
RBCF
3000: wire and the fuzzy thing shaking at
the end of it.
RBCF
3000: Well, it's the same with us. The
"supernatural" is
RBCF
3000: not really hidden from us, and the
Unconscious is
RBCF
3000: not really unconscious, but we just
don't have
RBCF
3000: enough energy and attention to focus
on it. All
RBCF
3000: scripture and mythology have
pointed to this.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: So my gift to you would be to show
you how the
RBCF
3000: Unconscious, the Supernatural, and
the Cosmos-
RBCF
3000: - and, indeed, even God -- are all
in the same
RBCF
3000: direction on the path we are taking
up a fairly
RBCF
3000: steep mountain. It appears to us as
a climb uphill
RBCF
3000: because each step we take on it
requires more
RBCF
3000: energy, more attention, more
vigilance, more
RBCF
3000: inner silence and more wholeness.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: So now, here we are at the very top
of the
RBCF
3000: mountain, where the bush burns
unconsumed,
RBCF
3000: where the sun and the moon change
places in
RBCF
3000: the sky, where the rivers run
backwards, where
RBCF
3000: the heavenly hosts are gathered --
whatever
RBCF
3000: images appeal to you are fine, as
long as we
RBCF
3000: remember that they are just
place-holders,
RBCF
3000: reminders that we are trying to
apprehend
RBCF
3000: something beyond cat-and-dog
consciousness.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Here we see and feel directly that
everything is
RBCF
3000: one; know directly the consequences
of every
RBCF
3000: decision we have ever made. Here it
is right
RBCF
3000: before our very eyes that there is
no external
RBCF
3000: universe, no separation, no
beginning, no end,
RBCF
3000: no "individuality" the
way we had supposed.
RBCF
3000: .
Log
Count: There were 21 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:30 PM
RBCF
3000: Here the Self is formless except
for its
RBCF
3000: projections and reflections, as if
in a holographic
RBCF
3000: mirror of fifteen or however-many
dimensions it
RBCF
3000: takes to connect everything that
ever-was,
RBCF
3000: ever-will-be, altogether in a
single moment.
RBCF
3000: .
RBCF
3000: Perhaps you noticed that I didn't
really answer
RBCF
3000: the question of what the Self
really is, what
RBCF
3000: existence truly embraces, nor the
meaning of life.
RBCF
3000: Someone can point us in a
direction, but in the
RBCF
3000: end, we each have to go there and
witness for
RBCF
3000: ourselves. This is what religion
and science were
RBCF
3000: supposed to do for us, and maybe
they still can
RBCF
3000: help, if they are taken with the
original intention.
RBCF
3000: .
Wingsoligh:
That was my point 3000
Frtzzmon:
on the border 3000
RBCF
3000: I shall leave you now with an image
that I have
RBCF
3000: gotten of what my own Real Self
"looks" like, but
RBCF
3000: this will be different for each of
you. I see an
RBCF
3000: inside-out Being with 15 heads, 50
arms,
RBCF
3000: goddesses coming out the top of my
spine, a
RBCF
3000: forest of flowers coming out the
top of my head,
RBCF
3000: exploded into 1,000 emanations of
insistences
RBCF
3000: in 12 dimensions,
RBCF
3000: but collecting into one place at a
single instant,
RBCF
3000: all worlds, all futures and all
consciousnesses;
RBCF
3000: feeling all at once all the passion
and sadness
RBCF
3000: and ecstatic joy and terror and
madness and
RBCF
3000: fulfillment of Existence, in a
perfect center of
RBCF
3000: Peace in the devastating current of
simultaneous
RBCF
3000: creation/ destruction of the universe.
But that's
RBCF
3000: just me.
RBCF
3000: ****** Well, friends, those are the
ideas that I'd
RBCF
3000: like you to think about for
yourselves. Now let's
RBCF
3000: hear your questions and comments.
Wingsoligh:
Ok road runner coyote Spirituality
It has a point
Wingsoligh:
The road runner Is god
Wingsoligh:
The Higher power
Wingsoligh:
The coyote is us
Wingsoligh:
We are trying to always seek and
hunt for knowledge
StarBorn22:
wings,,, that means the joke is on
us
Wingsoligh:
If you will 3000 alice In
wonderland: Another analogy
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, of course-- I am sure
that is exactly what
RBCF
3000: Lewis Carroll was trying to
portray.
RT
Alix: Question 3000: what do you
surmise about Alex Crowley?
Kirstenese:
3k, about "no individuality the
way we had supposed"
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, in what respect (I am
working with his Tarot, BTW)
Kirstenese:
what exactly do you mean?
RT
Alix: was that insanity?
Wingsoligh:
Lewis carol illustrates The spirit
and The body
Wingsoligh:
The girl has an obe
RBCF
3000: Kirstenese, we find a completely
unexplainable sense of
RBCF
3000: Self, but it has nothing to do with
any of our old
RBCF
3000: categories...
Wingsoligh:
Alice soon finds Her fears and relates to her subconscious
RBCF
3000: Kirstenese, ... like
"self-awareness", "self-authority", "ambition",
"love", etc.
Frtzzmon:
3k you're great keep looking
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, any of this work looks
like insanity to the ordinary
RBCF
3000: world, and I can hardly say that I
am NOT insane, even
RBCF
3000: from my own point of view; so I
have to give Crowley the
RBCF
3000: benefit, eh?
Wingsoligh:
I hate to say This but cartoons
Truly also have a mystical and
spiritual side
RBCF
3000: Frtzzmon, thanks-- it's intense and
dangerous, but I feel
RBCF
3000: like I am finally starting to get
somewhere.
RT
Alix: lol
WaynePsych:
Categories in themselves are
"the known", if we fall ino that trap we wind up creating a
Wingsoligh:
Philosophical
Frtzzmon:
you're there, dude -- chill
WaynePsych:
Creator, which cannot be IT.
RBCF
3000: Frtzzmon, good point.
Wingsoligh:
witch we have created
RT
Alix: i found his
"insanities" uncomfortable
Meemoe:
And Warlocks too
RBCF
3000: WaynePsych, quite so-- isn't that
what our whole society keeps doing?
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, I used to, till I became
more insane myself
Frtzzmon:
thanks 3k you put a professional sprit
to this room
WaynePsych:
Yeah look at our presidential
candidates lol
SPUTTERPUD:
Crowley?
RT
Alix: threw the book out!
RBCF
3000: Rright. I also quite fancy Camille Claudelle,
RBCF
3000: the sculptress, who spent the last
30 years of her life in
RBCF
3000: an asylum.
Wingsoligh:
alister Crawley has Indeed a very very dark side
RT
Alix: will look her up!
RT
Alix: 30 wow!
RBCF
3000: Frtzzmon, really? I'm glad.
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, there's a great movie
about her, with Isabelle
RBCF
3000: Adjani-- she was Rodin's mistress
for a while.
Wingsoligh:
the one with Carlos Castaneda
RBCF
3000: (Next week: "What is it that
psychically
RBCF
3000: connects us to everything? Can we
gain
RBCF
3000: control over it?" Please
continue whatever
RBCF
3000: daily practices you are doing --
we'll be using
RBCF
3000: everything that results from them.)
Wingsoligh:
his vew of The cosmos Was surreal
WaynePsych:
Amen! Well done RBCF!
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, I think it is Castaneda
who had all the
RBCF
3000: darkness in him-- don Juan and don
Genaro were
RBCF
3000: impeccable. Although Silvio Manuel was pretty dark...
Wingsoligh:
Verry vusioal Spiritual person
RT
Alix: couldn't relate to any depth with
carlos
Frtzzmon:
carlos was kinda a weak at times
RBCF
3000: WaynePsych, thanks, but I'm not leaving
quite yet
RBCF
3000: Frtzzmon, I was a bit disappointed
when I finally met him.
Wingsoligh:
Well carlos did allot of peyote
Wingsoligh:
to Find His visions
WaynePsych:
lol! Sorry popped back into my
reactions.
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, I don't think so-- don
Juan wanted him to do a lot more of it.
Wingsoligh:
some say It was madness That
drove Him
Wingsoligh:
who is don juan, The lover
Wingsoligh:
or his teacher
Meemoe:
Did any of you listen to art bell Last
Night There Was Some Guy talking About
Dolly
Destiny1: past history has shown those
with psychic abilities was placed in in asylums.
Frtzzmon:
have you heard of michael roades he wote getting there and a trilogy as well
Meemoe:
This Book On How there really Is a
satanic force and How it All IS Perdestend And
WaynePsych:
Or burnt at the stake
Wingsoligh:
dolly I am psychic and sometimes I
feel I am mad
Meemoe:
It really just brought Mee Back to
Feeling Things Aren't truly As So Many see It
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, Castaneda's main
teacher.
Dolly
Destiny1: it was done because they
didn't understand the human race of evolving
Orange
marble: I listened for just a minute
Meemoe
Meemoe:
Its So Opposit
Orange
marble: wasn't for me I guess
Meemoe:
Like Christians Are The Debil
Log
Count: There were 17 member(s) in The New
Age at 08:45 PM
Wingsoligh:
ahhh
Meemoe:
And Telepathy Isnt Some evil Force
Meemoe:
Of Asatan
Meemoe:
the Whole Perconseptions We hold
Meemoe:
About the Dark SIDE LOL
Meemoe:
Theres Light IN that
Orange
marble: I agree Meemoe
RBCF
3000: Meemoe, why do you suppose the
"christians" are so
RBCF
3000: afraid of psy power, when they
believe in prophecy so
RBCF
3000: much?
Wingsoligh:
mee of corce not My god I have been
telepathic sense I was 14
Meemoe:
exactly
Dolly
Destiny1: wingssoligh, if you are really
psychic you would NOT feel insane. You would know different
Meemoe:
the Contradictions
Wingsoligh:
feels somtimes Like I am loosing it
Frtzzmon:
on the border
RBCF
3000: Dolly Destiny, most psychics and
channels that I know
RBCF
3000: (hundreds of 'em!) are pretty
nutty!
Meemoe:
Just Like I was Brought Up In the
"CHURCH"
Orange
marble: meemo did you hear Dr Bruce
Goldberg on Art Bell a while back?
Orange
marble: talking about dimensions?
Meemoe:
and The One Thing They Always Would
Say Is That satan Mixes A little Truth With lies
Dolly
Destiny1: 3000 some are false also, but
the real psychic know different.
RBCF
3000: Wingsoligh, then I think you must
be doing it right!
RT
Alix: unconsciousness would be the
alternative Wing
Meemoe:
And That What i See Them Doing More
Than those The Point The Finger AT
WaynePsych:
You had to couch it very carefully
like Teresa of Avila; would float to the ceiling and had
Meemoe:
Its Just So Silly
WaynePsych:
pulled down gently by other nuns.
Wingsoligh:
Well I know One he is extremely
sweet But quite eccentric
RBCF
3000: WaynePsych, is she the one who
could eat only consecrated wafers?
Wingsoligh:
Every one Thinks he is nuts
Meemoe:
Or Like the X Files Episode Last Night
Where the Dead Shall raise Had a Twist
So so
Rus: what is this topic about?
Meemoe:
That The Dead That Were Rising Were
Evil Yet They Were the Professors Of The FAITH
Wingsoligh:
are We going To see The others
Frtzzmon:
x files suck
WaynePsych:
I dk lol. Don't think she worried
about that much.
Wingsoligh:
primering on nbc on sat night
RBCF
3000: So so Rus, we are just in the final
discussion of the Ecstatic Awareness class.
Meemoe:
LOL It Was Only that It Brought Up the
Possibilities of the Tables truly Being Turned
Wingsoligh:
That should be great
RBCF
3000: Frtzzmon, most of the time, but
sometimes they have
RBCF
3000: something interesting and not too
gloppy
Wingsoligh:
I am very tuned In my mom says I am
in my own world
RBCF
3000: ... I often like Millennium better.
Meemoe:
Everything Isn't What it seems And I'm
Just Glad A Have These Rose Colored Glasses From The store
So so
Rus: i don't understand the ? what kind
of beings are we?
RT
Alix: magnets for pain 3000?
WaynePsych:
Wow Alix!
RT
Alix: because words won't make it
RT
Alix: a profile
Wingsoligh:
Spirtual and pHsichal
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, referring to what?
Meemoe:
sos soso My LORD!
RT
Alix: shoulder bursitis
Frtzzmon:
i bet all your mothers had there hands
full
RT
Alix: physical pain
WaynePsych:
Magnets for suffering anyway.
Frtzzmon:
3k you will get your on cult
RBCF
3000: To recap tonight's discussion, we
looked at our self-image
RBCF
3000: and all our delusional ideas about
each other-- projections
RBCF
3000: and considerations, etc. ...
Orange
marble: has anyone experienced other
dimensions yet?
RBCF
3000: Frtzzmon, actually, I'm too crabby
and self-absorbed to have much of a following.
Orange
marble: lol 3
WaynePsych:
hands folder <bows>
Lorinaz:
smile
Wewachanpi:
yes..others
RBCF
3000: Next, we looked at what traits we
would like to find in our real, true Selves...
RT
Alix: anything published 3000?
GwyllionMoon:
good tidings to you
Frtzzmon:
wishin it was my life
RBCF
3000: ... and finally, I guess, we had
some metaphors on what
RBCF
3000: the self finds in the very center
of its creation.
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, just a few essays in "Psychedelic
Illuminations"
RBCF
3000: magazine, and a bunch of
channelings in a defunct
RBCF
3000: spiritual magazine.
RT
Alix: yes
RBCF
Heart: <~~~thinks 3000 should
write a book
RBCF
3000: RT Alix, right now I'm trying to
get a 600-page manuscript ready for taking around.
RT
Alix: love, light,peace to room &
thank you 3000 for enjoyable chat this evening!
Kirstenese:
<------thinks 3k should write a
book too
RBCF
3000: RBCF Heart, I've been compiling
tons of material for my book!
Frtzzmon:
hara kristina your thoughts
AngelOfWuv:
<----would love to read 3K book
RT
Alix: good luck with your project
Lightthght:
any more books on the shelves and I
might choke
RBCF
Heart: <smile>
RBCF
Heart: (maybe time to stop
compiling<G>)
Kirstenese:
you can say that again, Angel
RBCF
3000: AngelOfWuv, it'll be beautiful--
I've got four artists who are
RBCF
3000: contributing to it, and my 124
hymns will be in it too.
Frtzzmon:
time to chant?
RBCF
3000: (All the previous nine logues are
downloadable
RBCF
3000: from keyword "New Age"
Library II, if you missed
RBCF
3000: any of the previous classes, and
tonight's
RBCF
3000: logue (#10) will be available
within the next week.
RBCF
3000: Thank you all for participating
with us today.
Kirstenese:
thank you 3000, very interesting as
usual
Frtzzmon:
3k you the man
AngelOfWuv:
Heartfelt TYous to you 3K
RBCF
3000: ^5, right on!
DCizunas:
Thank *you* 3K, always a pleasure to
hear your discourses
RBCF
Heart: Namaste' all
WaynePsych:
It was well worth it 3000!
RBCF
3000: Ladyhawk, do you download the
logues? Work on the exercises?
RBCF
Heart: <~~~bows to 3000
Log
Count: There were 15 member(s) in The New
Age at 09:00 PM
RBCF
3000: Kisses RBCF Heart's feet.
DCizunas:
Goodnight to all, catch ya next
time...<poof>
RBCF
3000: Ok, I'm amazed at you guys'
attention span!
Ladyhawk946:
3000, new to this, haven't had time
to do that.
Lorinaz:
Blessing 3000 thank you
WaynePsych:
Focus is where it's at 3000
Kirstenese:
I would speak up more, 3 k, but the
screen rolls up too fast for me <g>
RBCF
3000: I'll be back here Wed. night at
midnight for "The Other
RBCF
3000: Side", and then next Monday
we'll move ahead with this
RBCF
3000: class. Thank you all for your
brilliant comments.
RBCF
3000: Kirstenese, that's why I use a big
monitor and open the window way up.
REISHISAGE:
just came in and am already asleep
Kirstenese:
oh, good ideal I'll try that next
time 3k
Kirstenese:
open the window way up
RBCF
3000: Wonderful, friends -- sweetest
dreams to you all, and take note of them, please.
Kirstenese:
lol, Lady. . . rather to read fast
RBCF
3000: Good night. <poof>
Ladyhawk946:
thanks 3000, four winds.