Tantric Forum Log from
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Speaker: Troimille (that’s me!)
“The Current of Love” #10 of 10
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Troimille: Good evening, dear friends.
Troimille: Any questions on the homework assignments
before we get started
tonight?
AAmick4650: NO questions I do everything backwards anyway!!! So no
different
Troimille: Ann, then now, how would you make a
change?
AAmick4650: by being "normal"
Troimille: That could work. Can you fake being
"normal"?
AAmick4650: sure have to many times
Troimille: That's still not different enough-- you
still have control, and
that has to go.
AAmick4650: I am free and unlimited (not bragging) just being truthful
AAmick4650: ask Mary she’s knows
Troimille: Whatever. Does everyone remember our theme
for tonight?
AAmick4650: Whatever?????
Troimille: Yes, Ann?
AAmick4650: what is your theme?
AAmick4650: sorry just sounded like my teenage daughter
AAmick4650: ok not talking just listening '
Troimille: (I have a thang
about premature self-congratulation, is all :)
Troimille: Ok, here's the theme we have on the
billboard: The POWER of Love
-- can we get our limiting
Troimille: beliefs out of
Know when we stop
Troimille: "thinking." The
positive Emotions and the awakening of Conscience
in us. Our
Troimille: wilfullness vs unstoppable Will.
Troimille: How the choices we've been making has
created our lives, and how
we can choose different
Troimille: choices. Scrounging for power; meeting
Power; conquering Power;
surrendering to Power;
Troimille: being One with Power. Loving
from the position of Oneness.
Troimille: What does it take to forget everything
that we think we know
about ourselves, who and
Troimille: what we each are? What are the passions of
the Dream body, the
astral and higher
Troimille: bodies which form in us when we've done
our disciplines
consistently enough, long
Troimille: enough, with enough k'ung
fu, chi and passionate brilliance?
GAY GOOEN: Hm...this IS
interesting...intelligence beyond intellect?
GAY GOOEN: As in "emotional intelligence," Barry?
Troimille: Yes, Gay-- what do you think that would be
like?
GAY GOOEN: Wonderful, I would feel.
GAY GOOEN: (grin) I'd rather not think about it!
Troimille: Certainly not the ordinary
"emotions" which are all
self-indulgences, right?
GAY GOOEN: I would tend to agree with that.
GAY GOOEN: Right up my ally, actually!
GAY GOOEN: Being present, but non-judgmental...of Self and others.
GAY GOOEN: Experiencing, and not analyzing, yes?
Troimille: If you ask somebody what their *feelings*
are, don't they usually
answer: "I *feel* like
Troimille: you are tripping me out" or "I
feel like I'm not appreciated
enough" etc. Right?
AAmick4650: what’s the question Barry?
Troimille: Ann, the question is, how do I connect
with what I am really
*feeling*, instead of what I
Troimille: imagine about my "feelings"?
AAA000XXX1: feeling on what level ?
GAY GOOEN: Simply by "be-ing" pre-sent..present.
Tanajtras: Connect by "looking" inside
GAY GOOEN: A question for you, Barry. Do you really think that what you are
talking about is possible?
Troimille: AAA000XXX1, embracing all the energies of
life force, of
existence, as energies instead of
Troimille: as trips.
GAY GOOEN: On this Earth plane, I mean?
AAmick4650: feelings are false
GAY GOOEN: Can be.
Tanajtras: Truthful, honest feelings are valid
Tanajtras: Pure
Troimille: GAY GOOEN, that's a discussion we started
last week, and my
answer is "It is not the
Troimille: same world by the time we have done
this"
GAY GOOEN: Yes, yes. Wise.
GAY GOOEN: So, then...you believe it can happen.
Troimille: ... and that is what I will be discussing
tonight. Shall I
continue?
GAY GOOEN: Yes.
Troimille: Gay, it doesn't "happen"
mechanically. I bring myself to it, in
stages, with daily attention
Troimille: and efforts.
AAA000XXX1: like a "mahamudra"? < walking meditation>'
Troimille: Tanajtras, do
you think we can recognize a "truthful, honest
feeling" if it sat in our lap?
Tanajtras: I cannot speak for all
Troimille: AAA000XXX1, we can learn to witness these
ranges of feelings by
means of mahamudra,
Troimille: for sure.
Troimille: To finish the blurb about tonight's
discussion: What kind of
creativity emanates from these
Troimille: primaeval forces
which are what we are made of? They seem to be
outside of the ego-- are they
Troimille: also outside of the Self-- the whole of
me? Or is Power just
exactly the Wholeness of my Self?
Troimille: How would I choose from this wholeness?
How would I love from
this Power?
AAA000XXX1: is it also a matter of not remaining attached to any one feeling
?
Troimille: AAA000XXX1, exactly-- as soon as we attach
and identify and
fixate, we've lost our
Troimille: expansion, our awareness, right?
AAA000XXX1: correct,
Troimille: Ok, friends-- let's begin the new
material...
Troimille: Tonight marks a special event: the tenth
and last class in my
series on "The Current of
Troimille: Love." I've given you four daily
exercises and a fair number of
tools for working with
Troimille: the subtle energies and emanations, and
some of the not-so-subtle
ones. :)
Troimille: After you've all had a chance to work with
these for a while (two
or three decades usually
Troimille: suffices) and I hear from you what you've
been discovering in
yourselves and your new world,
Troimille: I'll set you up with a "new"
series (it hasn't been used much
since the fall of Atlantis)-- aeon
Troimille: and dimensionality to be announced. :)
Troimille: We think that we know ourselves to at
least a degree; after all,
we have "self-
Troimille: awareness", "free will" and
"individuality", right? And our
"scientists" are "almost"
Troimille: done discovering all the mysteries of the
brain and of the
universe, judging from
Troimille: what we're told.
Troimille: But then I observe my
"truth-teachers" (my cats), and they show
me how we understand
Troimille: everything only in cat-terms, and ignore
everything that the
"gods" do in their own realm.
Troimille: So we sniff at it, and bat it around a
bit, and take naps on it,
without ever realizing that
Troimille: it is a computer or a loaded rifle or an
explosive detonator or a
map to unimaginable
Troimille: treasures.
Troimille: What is it that prevents us from knowing
what the "gods" are
doing and communicating with
Troimille: each other, and what they have planned?
Especially if we have
the native capability to cognate
Troimille: on "their" terms. Why should we
think we might have this
potential?
AAA000XXX1: because we are spirit
AAA000XXX1: but focused only on the physical
Troimille: AAA000XXX1, why do we focus on the
"physical"? How does some
"physical plane" fixate
Troimille: our attention so much?
AAA000XXX1: learned response
AAA000XXX1: from society perhaps
AAA000XXX1: and I believe we do not know how to access our higher
AAA000XXX1: selves
AAA000XXX1: or do not wish to learn
GAY GOOEN: Hmm...very interesting assumptions, Barry.
AAA000XXX1: because then we are responsible for more
AAA000XXX1: to manifest reality ...different from what we know now
AAA000XXX1: and change creates fear
Troimille: Maybe-- but I can't imagine why we
wouldn't wish to learn.
Anybody else? Guesses?
Troimille: AAA000XXX1, yes, I agree with you.
GAY GOOEN: You assume that cats don't know it is a computer,
or a loaded
gun?
GAY GOOEN: Maybe they simply don't care.
Troimille: GAY GOOEN, are they unfounded assumptions?
GAY GOOEN: I don't know. Do you?
GAY GOOEN: Unassuming behaviors don't mean we don't understand...
Troimille: GAY GOOEN, no, I don't assume it. They
show every sign of not
knowing what anything is
Troimille: for except to nibble on, or sleep on, or
play with.
GAY GOOEN: I too have cat-gods.
Tanajtras: Should we call that instinct?
Troimille: But let's not get totally lost in the
analogy, right? Let's look
at what the analogy
Troimille: shows us about ourselves, ok?
GAY GOOEN: I find them much more savvy than they let
on.
GAY GOOEN: It is more about what they deem as important...
GAY GOOEN: and basic to their well-being.
AAA000XXX1: I would agree, Gay
AAA000XXX1: But I think the analogy was meant to refer to those lost in
their own worlds
Troimille: Gay, we are not really talking about cats,
but about
consciousness and our ultimate
Troimille: possibilities.
GAY GOOEN: Signs can be deceiving.
AAA000XXX1: not paying attention to things beyond
GAY GOOEN: Yes, yes...but when the analogy works, Barry, you use it, yes?
Tanajtras: How to move from consciousness to subconsciousness
Tanajtras: Is that the question?
GAY GOOEN: How to lose our mind, I think.
Troimille: AJ, that is part
of what we will be looking at tonight.
Tanajtras: Ok :)
AAA000XXX1: lose our mind and come to our senses :)
Troimille: Shall I continue?
Tanajtras: As you will
Troimille: AAA, nice way of putting it. :)
AAA000XXX1: :)
Troimille: I repeat: Why should we think we might
have this potential?
Because it shows up in every
Troimille: mythology (including religious
revelations) throughout the world,
throughout all history. So
Troimille: we hear "fairy tales" and religious
doctrine all our lives about
the Holy Grail, the Golden
Troimille: Fleece, the Garden of Eden,
"heaven", "hell", "angels", etc.
Troimille: First of all, we do not know ourselves in
the least, and our
"scientists" cannot help us
Troimille: with this. We have learned to lie all the
time about everything;
we have learned to
Troimille: dismiss and trivialize everything that we
hear, and everything we
say; we have learned
Troimille: not to see with the eyes of a child;
Troimille: and we have learned to be in complete
conflict within ourselves,
and in competition with
Troimille: everyone else. Perhaps worst of all, we
have learned to feel
sorry for ourselves about
Troimille: everything, so what we've been calling
"love", "caring",
"loyalty", "devotion", "honor",
Troimille: "righteousness", etc., are all
scams and delusion.
Troimille: *** I expect some good arguments about
these notions now-- don't
hold back :)
TizSissy00: kind of harsh
Troimille: TizSissy00, but is it wrong?
AAmick4650: I thought the homework was to do things differently?
TizSissy00: Sorry Barry I m not quite "with
it" tonight--I signed the
divorce papers today
Troimille: Congrats, Tiz--
a great step toward freedom, eh?
AAmick4650: LOL
TizSissy00: after 27 years--makes you wonder what love is
Troimille: TizSissy00, that is why
we are here-- to examine what Love could
be! :)
TizSissy00: I knew what it was
TizSissy00: what is should be
TizSissy00: but love takes on different meanings as we age
Troimille: Did my last message come thru, answering Tiz's comment by saying
that, what
Troimille: love really could be,
is the whole point of this series of
discussions?
Troimille: Well, friends-- did my last set of remarks
seem ridiculous and
harsh, or could
Troimille: you recognize something in it that rang
your bells?
Troimille: (Is everybody asleep, or in IMs?)
TantraFun: not asleep, not in IMs,
I don't know
Alisnntrnt: why don't you repeat that part Barry
AAmick4650: What’s the Q Barry?
Troimille: The whole
paragraph, Mary? Where was everybody?
AAmick4650: my fault I beg your forgiveness >>>
Troimille: Ok, I'll start over...
Troimille: What is it that prevents us from knowing
what the "gods" are
doing and communicating
Troimille: with each other, and what they have
planned? Especially if we
have the native capability
Troimille: to cognate on "their" terms. Why
should we think we might have
this potential?
Troimille: Because it shows up in every mythology
(including religious
revelations) throughout the
Troimille: world, throughout all history. So we hear
"fairy tales" and
religious doctrine all our lives
Troimille: about the Holy Grail, the Golden Fleece,
the Garden of Eden,
"heaven", "hell", "angels", etc.
Troimille: First of all, we do not know ourselves in
the least, and our
"scientists" cannot help
Troimille: us with this. We have learned to lie all
the time about
everything; we have
Troimille: learned to dismiss and trivialize
everything that we hear, and
everything we say;
Troimille: we have learned not to see with the eyes
of a child;
Troimille: and we have learned to be in complete
conflict within ourselves,
and in competition with
Troimille: everyone else. Perhaps worst of all, we
have learned to feel
sorry for ourselves about
Troimille: everything, so what we've been calling
"love", "caring",
"loyalty", "devotion", "honor",
Troimille: "righteousness", etc., are all
scams and delusion.
Troimille: *** OK, that's as far as I'd gotten...
AAmick4650: its kind of a neg thought don’t ya think?
Troimille: *** Now, my last question was, "Does
this notion bother you in
the least?"
AAmick4650: yes
KKa6139091: not me. I'm with you.
Troimille: Ann, can you identify why it bothers you,
and how you can know it
doesn't
Troimille: pertain to you?
TantraFun: The notion does not bother me. I have made
certain assumptions
that merely bypass
TantraFun: the question altogether
Troimille: *** Does it
bother anybody else? Show me that I'm wrong,
please-- I hate it
Troimille: myself!
AAmick4650: It bothers me because in this society, people feel they need
approval of others for self worth
AAmick4650: and if you go a step further what does it matter?
Troimille: Ann, I not quite clear on what it is that
bothers you then...
Troimille: (I *am* not clear...)
TantraFun: well, I've assumed that I am okay. further that we can
communicate meaningfully
AAmick4650: well I am not really bothered you said I was
Troimille: Actually, *you* said so...
AAmick4650: well you asked what bothered me first LOL
Troimille: Ann, is all this really about "being
OK"?
AAmick4650: sure its really about anything you want it
to be
Troimille: Maybe I should go on a bit further, and
then we'll have some good
basis for
Troimille: heated argument, eh?
AAmick4650: Your going to kick my butt right Barry?
AAmick4650: Sure go further I am not afraid !
KKa6139091: go for it.
LoveWithin: is this the competitive part you
mentioned a few lines above?
AAmick4650: thanks KAKAKAKA
Troimille: (Usually, it's my own butt that gets
kicked :)
Troimille: LoveWithin, you
bet! Thanks for noticing. :)
LoveWithin: ;-))
Troimille: Ok, going further...
Troimille: Second, we each think we are some single
"person" who has
"truths" issuing from
Troimille: whatever point of view we happen to have
stumbled into, but which
we make "sacred", so
Troimille: that if anybody ever encroaches on this
"sacred ground" of our
abject delusion, all our
Troimille: "righteousness" comes to bear in
the most ugly and violent ways,
including (and especially)
Troimille: toward those whom we "love."
Troimille: Third, we are constantly "noisy"
inside with a constant narration
of how every single
Troimille: experience and impression is impacting our
card-house of
self-importance; it is because of
Troimille: this that we are never there to meet our
events-- we have only
our "photo album" to
Troimille: rummage through, instead of our lives.
AAmick4650: your so neg Barry ???
AAmick4650: I like to live in the
Troimille: *** Ann, try to understand what I am
describing, ok?
AAmick4650: OK trying
Troimille: ... try to find examples within
yourselves, and that will be a
bridge to what we
Troimille: are aiming for... ultimate blissful
Troimille: Fourth, we have a strange dichotomy in
which we talk out of one
side of our face about
Troimille: how mortal we are, not much time to live,
so we may as well take
as much advantage,
Troimille: and as little responsibility, as possible;
Troimille: and on the other side of our face, we are
"immortal", because
there is always time "in the
Troimille: future" to change my habits, to start
telling the truth, to make
amends, to serve humanity
TantraFun: I'm always tempted to get on the "I'm
ok, you're ok" soapbox
Troimille: and to serve God. But there isn't.
Troimille: TantraFun, so
then you see what I'm getting at?
KKa6139091: I do.
TantraFun: I see an underlying lie that leads to
those conclusions
Troimille: KKa6139091, take a stab at it, eh?
Troimille: TantraFun, you
are saying that I am misguided and mistaken?
TantraFun: I'm certainly not talking about any
guidance
TantraFun: but there is I think information that you
don't have. I'm saying
your information is
TantraFun: incomplete
TantraFun: lol, of course
you could say the same of my information too
Troimille: TantraFun, well,
then-- let's hold that part of the discussion
till I have laid out
Troimille: tonight's whole lesson, ok?
Troimille: I'll continue...
Troimille: So, now-- what would have if we were to
admit all this, and
really start to observe
Troimille: and know our apparatus? If we meant
everything we said, and
carried out whatever we
Troimille: agree to with the whole of our Self?
Troimille: If we dropped our maniacal self-delusion
and really started
listening, first to each other,
Troimille: and then inside our Heart, what would we
start to hear? If we
were truly whole and
Troimille: single-minded, what power would not be
ours? If we loved each
other the way that Love
Troimille: creates our whole being in the first
place, what world of beauty
would we not have?
Troimille: The world of our
fondest dreams, I proffer. If we were truly
silent inside instead of
Troimille: constantly chattering to ourselves about
how much we need to be
appreciated and
Troimille: admired, what sort of intelligence we
might have available to us,
what enormous power of
Troimille: imagination would be ours?
Troimille: Why wouldn't we want all this? Because we
think we already have
it, or *could* "if I only
Troimille: really wanted to"? Or is it because
"I'm only human", so
therefore there's no use
Troimille: bothering?
Troimille: Or is it because I'm afraid and I'd rather
stay cramped in the
claustrophobic dark closet of
Troimille: ordinariness than risk everything that I
thought I knew? Risk my
control and my sense of
Troimille: "order"?
Troimille: Or is it because
I am flat, depleted, and succumbed to the slow
death of stagnation and
Troimille: hopelessness? Is there some other way to
be?
Troimille: Do you ever wonder if there is some choice
you could make, right
this moment, that
Troimille: would change everything?
Troimille: Well, there is-- I can choose my heart
right this moment, I can
choose to give instead of
Troimille: take, I can choose to listen instead of
talk, I can choose to
serve rather than indulge,
Troimille: I can choose to bless and thank instead of
pitying myself and
blame everyone else. It's
Troimille: this tiny choice every moment that is my
private, personal
doorway to the Miraculous, to
Troimille: Brilliance, to Love, to immortality.
Troimille: *** Ok, now I'm ready to hear about how
misguided or mistaken I
am. :)
LoveWithin: perhaps the issue of being "OK"
is really just a very simple way
of saying the same thing
TantraFun: perhaps so :-)
Troimille: LoveWithin, it
*could* be, but we have to listen to see if that
is what is being
Troimille: expressed-- I find that it's usually just
succumbing to
"whatever".
Troimille: ... It's very easy to tell by the energy
that is being expressed,
you'll find.
LoveWithin: that is a common way of "being
OK" but the implication of "being
OK" is acceptance and then
LoveWithin: going forth without the issues bogging
one down
Troimille: LoveWithin, I
see your point, but we hide all kinds of excuses
under the handy
Troimille: rug of "acceptance", don't we?
LoveWithin: not always
Troimille: Ok, anybody else?
LoveWithin: there are many who have found real
functional peace with
acceptance
MHolmes905: I honor the god within each of you
Troimille: All right, then-- thank you all for
honoring me with your
presence, tonight and
Troimille: these past 10 sessions.
MHolmes905: I find acceptance of self essential starting point to acceptance
of others as perfect
TantraFun: I consider that we make our own problems,
that things are a
matter of responsibility mostly
MHolmes905: And until I do that accept my humanity I can not listen to my
God within
Troimille: MHolmes905, does that mean
"accepting" our self-deceits and our
laziness?
MHolmes905: Until I listen to the God within I can not understand or grow or
know the God in you
MHolmes905: That means recognizing that we have them and that they exist
instead of denying them
Troimille: TantraFun, I
completely agree-- but then, what *is*
responsibility? What is
Troimille: *my own* responsibility? Am I responsible
for anybody else's
program?
MHolmes905: I can not grow spiritually until I first recognize the need to
grow
Troimille: MHolmes905, what do we do once we accept
that "they exist"?
MHolmes905: Still the constant chatter in our heads and listen to the god
within
Troimille: MHolmes905, that's for sure-- and then
what do we find?
MHolmes905: and follow the guidance it gives
TantraFun: for example, when we are responsible for
the shame we feel during
pleasure,
TantraFun: our ability to have pleasure grows by that
extent, so too with
the next layer
MHolmes905: like peeling an onion.
Troimille: TantraFun, where
does such "shame" come from? Can it ever serve?
TantraFun: shame as you so well know, is associated
with pleasure, it is one
of the emotional
TantraFun: wavelengths of sex
TantraFun: as we are responsible for causing the
emotions of sex, so too are
we responsible
TantraFun: for all of the emotions we cause
ourselves, shame not excluded
Troimille: TantraFun,
actually, it is a "wavelength" of the corruption of
sexual energy--
Troimille: real sexual energy has no place whatsoever
for judgment, don't
you find?
MHolmes905: TantraFun. I have not shared that
experience.
Alisnntrnt: why is that way for you Terry?
TantraFun: I am saying, we are responsible for the
emotions we cause
ourselves
Troimille: TantraFun, first
we would need to find out what our *emotions*
really are, no?
TantraFun: and yes, shame is one of the emotions I
experience during sex
MHolmes905: I do not agree Tantra.
Troimille: TantraFun, it
turns out that "shame" is not really an *emotion*,
but a tape.
TantraFun: that's not correct at all,
TantraFun: shame is an emotion and can be
experienced.
Troimille: There is a native energy that we interpret
with the label
"shame", but it is a
Troimille: valid energy.
MHolmes905: What emotions we feel just are. As gifts.
First we embrace them
and then choose to keep them
MHolmes905: or let them go.
TantraFun: no, the emotions we feel are generally of
our own cause, but in
any event
MHolmes905: The emotion is not our responsibility. The choice of keeping
them or letting them go is
Troimille: Ok, I guess everybody will leave knowing
the same as they "knew"
when they
Troimille: came in tonight, right? Do you need me for
anything?
TantraFun: we are responsible for what we perceive
Alisnntrnt: in your opinion Terry, that may not be
the experience of others
TantraFun: the emotion IS our responsibility, the
emotions we feel.
TantraFun: to the extent we deny our emotions, to
that extent we cannot feel
LoveWithin: again I find myself feeling like the
devils advocate here, but
isn't all this deep analysis
LoveWithin: sort of keeping us from really learning
things
TantraFun: nope, it is real shallow. would you deny that you feel your leg?
LoveWithin: it's so self consumed
TantraFun: you are responsible for your leg of
course! so too, emotions and
even thoughts
MHolmes905: I did not say deny the emotion. I said embrace them and choose
that which serves
Troimille: Good night friends. I'll look forward to
your thoughts and
questions.
MHolmes905: I am not responsible for having a leg. Only what I do with it
TantraFun: LOL
TantraFun: do you feel with it? I know you feel your
leg
Alisnntrnt: what are you saying Terry?
MHolmes905: The fact that I feel my leg is not a choice I make
. It is a
gift I receive.
TantraFun: I am saying we are responsible for ourselves.
this is not a deep
analysis
LoveWithin: I am speaking in general terms
Alisnntrnt: go on Love
LoveWithin: my sense is that all too often this group
discusses all the
things that are wrong with ourselves
LoveWithin: rather than enjoying what we have
LoveWithin: this teeth gnashing about my Tantra vs, Tantra
TantraFun: I think she is generally saying,
"discussions of wrong" rather
than
TantraFun: "discussions of what we can do in a
positive vein"
Alisnntrnt: Terry, Love can surely speak for herself.
LoveWithin: perhaps it's just mine own simple
perspective but it feels like
we are always so worried
LoveWithin: about out rightness
LoveWithin: and all the ways in which we are not
perfect
TantraFun: well, I'm certainly concerned about mine , sigh
Alisnntrnt: I agree Love..don't you feel that that is the level where some
of us are tho
LoveWithin: in my own way of seeing the world we are
always perfect
MHolmes905: My first time here Love, but that was my feeling tonight
MHolmes905: I agree love.
LoveWithin: I like the way the world is imperfect
Alisnntrnt: you know
TantraFun: Love are you saying that rather than knock
our heads about our
imperfections, we
Alisnntrnt: all is as it should be
TantraFun: should discuss and maybe do things toward
growing?
LoveWithin: it just feels like we are too often
trying to be spiritually
perfect
LoveWithin: rather than humanly imperfect
Alisnntrnt: that is your choice, of course...to
operate from a place of fear
or from a place of love
LoveWithin: to me growth isn't as important as love
Alisnntrnt: and operate is not the best choice of
words
LoveWithin: I see a world full of people who need to
feel love
TantraFun: yeah, me too!
Alisnntrnt: I read something today about how people
won't change until it
hurts more to stay where they
Alisnntrnt: are now
TantraFun: and everyone like knows there is a need to
express and feel love
TantraFun: but no one has a clue how to go about it
MHolmes905: I need to feel love more fully
LoveWithin: and many don't have the slightest clue
about Tantra, they simply
want someone to smile
LoveWithin: at them, to connect
Alisnntrnt: the only way to know love,
MHolmes905: and am ever in the process of doing so
TantraFun: hell, getting people to smile is sometimes
a real big challenge,
and a smile isn't a lot
LoveWithin: I agree Alis
Alisnntrnt: and it all starts within
MHolmes905: Me too Alis
LoveWithin: Tantra is a
luxury, not a spiritual imperative, we are very
lucky
MHolmes905: agree again
Alisnntrnt: Tantra is no
fight
MHolmes905: agree
TantraFun: it takes time and some study and some self
discipline to do Tantra
yoga,
Alisnntrnt: and we are past time. thank you all for
being here and for
sharing
TantraFun: I agree it is a luxury that people without
the time to dedicate
to it cannot experience
LoveWithin: maybe our own perfection depends on
loving each other in simpler
ways first
TantraFun: I think it would help LoveWithin
TantraFun: simple, basic ways are the strongest ways
TantraFun: and obviously the more powerful, however
sophisticated our
society becomes
Alisnntrnt: it is time to close all....
TantraFun: ok Alisnntrnt
Alisnntrnt: again, thank you
Alisnntrnt: Namaste’'
LoveWithin: thanks for listening to my rants, have a
wonderful night all
Alisnntrnt: come back again all
TantraFun: lolololo, it was
a pleasure LoveWithin
Osho2: good nite all
LoveWithin: ;-))